Gordon Brown in Afghanistan
The recent confusion from the Government over its anti-terror funding in Pakistan, while Gordon Brown reaffirmed the government’s committment to the “crucible of terror”, is understandably creating disillusionment about the fight against Islamic extremism.
As more news like this continues to flow, it is becoming increasingly hard for the public to comprehend why we’re in Afghanistan. An October 2009 opinion poll for The Times found more than a third of voters (36%) believe that troops should be withdrawn immediately — up from 29% in mid-September 2009.
It comes as no surprise, therefore, that populist extremists like the BNP have decided to exploit this growing gap between the government and public.
The BNP’s analysis of the global terror crisis is, as Andrew Brons MEP revealed to the European Parliament this week, as follows: It’s the West’s fault. If Britain and America wish to remain safe from Islamic violence it must stop fighting wars in Muslim lands. It should repatriate all its Armed Forces. It should cease its support for Israel. And in order for the world to remain stable, it must be segregated along racial lines so that differing interests do not collide.
Besides the striking similarity between Al-Qaeda’s worldview and the BNP’s (although AQ would segregate us along religious lines), what’s surprising is that an anti-Muslim party that claims to be “tough on terror” is so easily prepared to sell us out to Islamists and their associates. This point of view was once held on the fringes of the far-left, the Islamists and isolationist conservatives. Now it is filtering its way into the mainstream media and political discourse and becoming increasingly popular with the public, as the Times’ poll reveals.
This is why it is important for extremists ideas to be challenged to see if they stand up after examination:
1. “Muslim lands”
British soldiers fighting the Taliban
This is not true.
During the first Gulf War, Britain and America were called to the Middle East after a request from Saudi Arabia - an Islamic orthodox regime - to help protect it from the secular non-Muslim Baathist dictatorship in Iraq headed by Saddam Hussein.
Nothing British has spoken to experts in the area of Islamism and they have told us that the defilement of “Muslim Lands” argument is used by Islamists who seek to claim an extremely diverse region as their own to cleanse it of indigenous non-Muslims. Thus, to accept this Islamist argument, as the BNP do, legitimises their racist and intolerant views on a region where many other non-Muslim religions, ethnicities and races also exist (Jews, Christians, Druze, Arabs, Kurds, Persians, Turks and Africans).
2. “Bring back the troops!”
The BNP’s 2010 campaign is called “Bring back the troops”. The party claims that our troops in Afghanistan is a waste of time. They conspiratorially believe we are only there to serve the interests of multinational companies, to serve the interest of America and Israel and that the real security threat is back home in the UK. They also add that our presence in Iraq and Afghanistan has turned Britain into a target for terror.
Mohammed Sadiq Khan in 2001 in Yorkshire on a terror training expidition
This again is false.
Both 9/11, which killed nearly sixty Britons, and 7/7 were planned before we ever set foot in Afghanistan or Iraq.
Mohammed Sadiq Khan, the ring leader of the Al-Qaeda terrorists responsible for 7/7, first came across West Yorkshire Police’s radar in 2001 (see photo left) during an investigation into terrorism (please see the Joint Intelligence Committee’s enquiry into 7/7 here). The report also said that it knew that Khan had gone to Pakistan at least twice for training and to Afghanistan possibly once.
It is therefore vital we stay in Afghanistan to shut down the terror training centres where they can develop skills and knowledge to kill British civilians on Britain’s streets.
3. Cease support for Israel
The accusation that Britain and America faces the threat of Islamist terrorism because of its close friendship with Israel ignores the fact that Bin Laden declared war against the West because of our friendship with Saudi Arabia. During the first Gulf War, Bin Laden was furious with the Saudi’s for rejecting his Muhajideen forces to fight Saddam Hussein, favouring of Western troops instead.
Nonetheless, Israel’s relationship with Britain and America is often distorted by extremists (left, right and Islamist) whose theories are based on conspiracies. European and American neo-fascists often describe Israel as having a malign influence over British foreign policy and is accused of exploiting the Holocaust to get its own way.
Milliband criticised Israel over Gaza
If this was the case it hasn’t been very effective.
For example, during its intervention in Gaza during January 2009 to stop Hamas rockets being fired into Israel, British government officials were quick to condemn Israel for its actions. David Milliband, Labour’s Foreign Secretary, said Israel was using “disproportionate force” against Hamas. Bill Rammell, who was a Foreign Office Minister at the time, called the operation “unacceptable” (watch his remarks to Iranian television here). William Hague, the Shadow Foreign Secretary, said: “The shelling of the UN Headquarters in Gaza is unacceptable. This undercuts efforts to bring relief to the people of Gaza and is against Israel’s own interests.”
The UK government has also used controversial food labelling on produce from Israeli settlements to force Israel to stop building in the West Bank. In response, Israel’s Foreign Ministry said the UK government’s actions were “catering to the demands of those whose ultimate goal is the boycott of Israeli products”.
3. Segregate people along racial and religious grounds
Hamas terrorists relaxing: Islamists support the BNP's worldview
The BNP subscribe to ethnopluralism. This neo-racist theory believes that people are equal but different and so the world would be more stable if races were kept separate.
Its policy to create international racial barriers would not only be impractical, but would also be economically ruinous, turn us into a failed state and create enormous global instability. Britain has become politically, economically and socially more integrated into the global system we have benefited. Our economy has grown giving us a higher standard of living, creating new opportunities in the job market and cheaper food and holidays.
Conclusion
No wonder every time Bin Laden and his followers hear the likes of Andrew Brons echoing their worldview in the European Parliament, they think to themselves how weak we are and how their lives are being made just that little bit easier. They know there are people from all over the political spectrum (left, right and Islamist) who are prepared to do their jobs for them.
Maurice Cousins
Tags: Afghanistan, foreign policy
This is little more than an apology for the continued Anglo-American occupation of Afghanistan, with a loud cheer for what the former French ambassador to the Court of St. James sweetly called “that shitty little country”.
Not only that but it isn’t even well argued. Claiming that the July 2005 attacks were planned before the invasion of Afghanistan is just not in accord with the facts. That Mo Khan came to the notice of the state is one thing, but the evidence of a planned attack on London commuters, planned prior to 2001, only exists in your fevered imagination, Maurice.
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Exile, I am not apologising for Afghanistan.
However, I do regret the way the government have allowed extremists like the BNP to deliberately conflate policy and communication failure with notions of neo-colonialism, defilement, declarations of war against all Muslims and our friendship with Israel.
The BNP claims to be “tough on terror” and the only party that sticks up for Britain’s national interest and yet its foreign policy is a complete sell out to Al-Qaeda and Islamism.
Maurice.
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NB, yet another piece of shallow rhetoric; lift your game Maurice. 8 years in Afganistan has produced little in the way of results, especially when the centres of terrorist thought are transigent and now appear resident in Yemen or Somalia.
Why dont you blokes just admit this hugely expensive folly is a lemon.
While you are at it, instead of maligning the BNP with constructed deliberate inexactitudes, address the causes of white working class discontent. A difficult task for self serving politicians ( actual and wannabees ).
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Maurice, are you exercising censorship measures again?
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Dear Al,
No, not censorship. We’re removing offensive, libelous and off-subject comments. But we welcome comments from all sides of the debate.
Best wishes,
James.
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Ahh..So we are in Afghanistan to protect ourselves from ISLAMIC TERRORISTS ?
I thought it was to enable the construction of the trans Afghan pipeline.
If it is to stop ISLAMIC TERRORISTS why do we allow them sanctuary in our country ?
Also, the Muslim Council of Britain threatened to declare war on the British Armed Forces if the Royal Navy helped with the blockade of Palestine.
Nothing British at all.
Vote BNP for real Change.
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SK, MCB are a problem.
But Jobbik’s Kristina Morvai MEP, ally of Nick Griffin in the EU Parliament, has links to the MCB through the Palestinian Return Centre. Daud Abduallah, deputy-secretary of the MCB and the signatory of the Istanbul Declaration, is a senior researcher at the PRC. Moravi was due to address the PRC’s conference and share a platform with Abdullah in December 2009.
You can read more here: http://www.nothingbritish.com/10/nothing-british-calls-on-lib-dem-baroness-to-boycott-extremist-rally/
Griffin has opportunistically pretended he is pro-Israel to voters to make his tough on terror credentials look authentic. But he is friends with a number of senior European neo-fascists like Jobbik and Roberto Fiore (a convicted terrorist) raises many quesitons about his stance on Israel and terrorism.
You can see more here: http://www.nothingbritish.com/01/bnp-german-allies-israel-in-germany-is-monstrous/
Maurice.
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“No, not censorship. We’re removing offensive, libelous and off-subject comments. But we welcome comments from all sides of the debate. ”
Hmm, more posts deleted! The blue pencil must be wearing down!
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Jesus are they getting school Kids to write this stuff? I’d swear that he standard of this article wouldn’t even attract a GCSE let alone an A Level. Support Our Troops, Bring Them Home…Now! before any more soldiers die! These peasants have been plucked from the David Cameron Tweedle Dee Tweedle Dumb School for Tory Toffs which cant even get into the league for ranking! However, their articles are being gathered by the pedophile Alister Cooling who edited quite a substantial portion of this site. So, it stands to reason that the articles are written by Kids…..Abused Kids!
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Bang on the money there mate!
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Seriously guys, how can you think that keeping troops in Aghanistan is a vote winner?
It is a failed Labour policy & you are going to do an “Obama” & continue the previous admin’s policies?
I think it is time the Israeli lobby had a little less influence both here & in the US, it seems a bit too one way for me.
I have seen no BNP plans to set up an apartheid state of any sort, just a stop to the continual downgrading of our culture & normal people being ignored by the state.
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“Britain has become politically, economically and socially more integrated into the global system we have benefited. Our economy has grown giving us a higher standard of living, creating new opportunities in the job market and cheaper food and holidays.”
Well if you believe that you best vote Labour then?
I see debt, greed & exploitation.
New opportunities in the job market?
What the opportunity to be unemployed or on reduced wages?
How long is food going to be cheap for, not long.
As for the holidays, if you can afford them, we’ll be making someone rich on the carbon tax we will be paying on it.
As for socially & economically integrated, give me strength, you don’t believe that.
As for political integration, well isn’t that what the BNP complain of, that you can’t tell any difference between the main 3 parties, as has happened in the US hence the Tea Parties.
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I never said that you were “apologising for Afghanistan,” I said that what you wrote was an apology for the occupation. There is a difference that is obvious to anyone who has English as a first language. I increasingly think that you do not, Maurice.
If the BNP’s policy is a sell out, then so is that of the Liberal-Democrats and the UKIP. Both those parties want to end the Fourth Afghan War. Face it, nobody gives a stuff these days about a lost war.
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NB is under pressure, they have had to start moderating the comments as nearly all are pro-BNP!
This site is a complete joke, maurice and jims comments are all given the thumbs down so much that they are hidden…
Thats democracy in action lads, take a hint and close this quite frankly idiotic and embarrassing website down!
Stick to what you guys are good at – hating northern working class people!
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I don’t agree with Davey’s notion that the “site is a complete joke,” although it does seem to have been taken over by the BNP. The BNP needs inspecting as do all political parties, but the problem that this site has is that it does the job rather badly. It seems to me as if NB tries to say that things that it thinks working class people believe, but without believing those things itself. I get that feeling when I read some of the posts – here they go again, dishing out their prolefeed, is the thought that goes through my mind.
Back in 2003 I was involved in the now defunct Independent’s discussion boards. A lot of BNP activists were around it as well and I enjoyed getting under their skins. I remember that I went around the Yahoo IDs that they used and linked to and was delighted to find that so many of them lived abroad. I was also taken with the blood and soil nicknames that they chose and all in all a good time was had by all. Well, by me, at least.
The point is that when the dust had settled I found that I had more in common with the BNP brigade than I did with the bulk of the posters on that forum. The last time that I had a job with pension, holiday and sickness pay it ended in October 1981. All I was doing was providing entertainment for the bastards who had done well, by bum sucking the boss class, since 1979. I wasn’t helping myself at all – I stayed with the casual work.
The left is still stuck in lifestyle mode, producing policies that are of interest to middle class poofs, birds and blacks, but as presently constituted the parties offer nothing for people like me. The BNP offers the economic policies that I like, but it is the party of skinheads and blood and soil merchants. Come on, it was set of by John Tyndall – it says everything about British politics today that the party has entered the mainstream.
What is needed is a party of the left that offers collectivist economic policies, coupled with social conservatism. Until that day arrives then the BNP will continue to grow.
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Bethell and co. are making a mockery of the tory party, but they are too pompous and full of themselves to realize it!
They come out with a ridiculous story and try to denigrate the BNP, then normal people come on the comments section rip their article to shreds and show them for the blithering idiots they truly are!
I’m surprised david caMORON hasn’t insisted this site be pulled to prevent further embarrassment…
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Ah well Exile you will be pleased to know, that here is one BNP member who lives here but is widely travelled & my “handle” has little to do with blood & soil but is more an expression of exasperation at this site!
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“Mohammed Sadiq Khan in 2001 in Yorkshire on a terror training expidition”
Last I heard that is not in Afghanistan, but maybe the “Mountain”
went to Mohammed?
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Is this Harry’s Place?
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Isn’t that where the “Royals” drink?
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As far as I am concerned, there is little British about the Conservative Party of today. I say this as a former member of the party. They have sold their beliefs in the hope of getting votes and in the process have lost many, like mine. Core beliefs like Britishness, Defence and morals have gone down the tube.
Do not get me wrong, I do not believe that the BNP will ever form a government. Some of their beliefs are (although they will not agree) are left wing and some right. Some I agree with and some I do not. That makes them more Centrist than the Tories and Socialists will agree.
That said, the agreements between those two parties makes a mockery of the lef-right-centrist labelling nonsense.
Like more and more voters I want my views heard. Those were mainly of the old Conservative Party (with which many “leftist” BNP supporters disagree) and which are voiced by the BNP.
I want a major increase in defence expenditure, not the decrease expected by an incoming Tory government nor status quo. I do not want excuses.
In the 80s the British Army was incapable of performing it’s function in the Cold War. A simple fact. Many of our MBTs were in a similar state to those sent to France in 1939/40. Our “amphibious” vehicles were no longer such, due to defence cuts. Even then, we were in a better state than now.
I want the ability to defend the Falklands, an ability now lost (many of our ships on the “active” list are actually in “ordinary” (incapable of immediate acivation).
If the Tories actually have the guts to cock-a-snook at Europe and the world:
stop spending our money on aid to countries who misuse it;
build up our armed forces to the point where they can do their job;
stop being governed by – a) the USA and – b) the undemocratic European dister;
stop the legal shenanigans and throw out illegals and asylum chancers;
let foreigners know that they are welcome to join and our community (numbers permitting) if they are willing to merge and become Britons;
I might then return to the fold. There is no chance that the socialists of the Labour Party nor the ill fated union of the LibDems will meet my aspirations. That leaves the BNP. The fact that more and more of those that I meet now admit to voting or considering voting BNP shows how the two main parties have let the people down.
I now challenge the owners of this site to say:
When did you become Tory?
Why did you become Tory?
Do you agree that the Tory Party has moved left to a degree unthinkable by Churchill, Eden, MacMillan and Powell?
If answers are given, be prepared for more questions. This site’s title suggests that there is “Nothing British” in the BNP. I suggest that, even with some beliefs (mostly “leftish”) with which I disagree, the BNP IS British and “old Conservative and Unionists” who believed in an independent United Kingdom would recognise it more than the vote-hungry prostituted Tory Party of today.
God Save the UK!
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Is that Islamic style equality at work?
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Islamic-equality.
Dave- Tory.
NB – British
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