The BNP and ECHR

The BNP have written a response to the Equality and Human Rights Commission who have accused them of breaching the Race Relations Act by denying “non-indigenous” folk from joining the BNP.

Their twenty-two page response questions the impartiality of the ECHR and conspiratorially implies that the ECHR have announced their concern about the BNP’s non-admittance of “non-indigenous” people into their party because of issues at ECHR. Last month the National Audit Office refused to sign of the ECHR’s accounts because it paid out consultancy fees without permission from the Treasury. There have also been a series of resignations and briefings to journalists concerning Trevour Phillips, the Chairman of the ECHR.

The BNP are painting this as a “God-send” as it will allow them to get air time for their views. They are also using the ECHR actions as an “establishment” attack
on the “British people” and claim that the ECHR want to close down the BNP.  

While the BNP are wrong in thinking that “British-ness” can be pseudo-scientifically defined in terms of race, this whole affair is a clear demonstration of how the demolition tactics against neo-fascism must change. Traditionally, our identity has come not from race, but from our respect and admiration for our institutions like
the army, Parliament and the Church. To be British is to possess the gentle values which bind us all: tolerance, respect for one another and fair-play

Both the anti-democratic violence from UAF etc and the legal proceedings from quangos like the ECHR are ineffectual and provide the BNP with a narrative of victimhood. Instead, we should show to the electorate that our faith in liberal democracy, the free markets and justice for all is correct and the only way to
prove that is by engaging in debate.

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40 Responses to “The BNP and ECHR”

  1. Diana says:

    Why I support the BNP -
    Comparing the BNP to Nazi party is like comparing a dwarf to a giant, there are some similarities, but there’s still a huge difference between them. For instance if the Germans had voted in the BNP rather then the Nazi party there wouldn’t of been a 2nd World War, nowhere have I seen that the BNP wish to create a totalitarian super human race to take over the world, have you? To the people who call the BNP and its supporters ‘fascist’ do they actually know what the word means? Look towards Labour, the EU and Islam for good examples of fascism, additionally I’ve never seen UAF protest against any of these. When the mainstream parties state that it’s a sad time for Britain as we’ve elected fascists when we fought to defeat fascists during the 2nd World War. Well I think you should ask yourselves if they would of bothered fighting and dying for this country when less then a century later we are now giving are towns, cities and country away.
    Immigration has gone through the roof under Labour, now in London the English feel like a foreigner their own country. Parts of the country are now heading towards ghettoization. Take Hackney for example, it now has display boards like those that can be found on motorways. Instead it states the number of drug dealers arrested in the last few weeks, no joke. Why’s Hackney now like that? Because it’s full of Africans. Africa’s a hellhole because it’s full of Africans, Hackney’s a hellhole because it’s full of Africans. The same can be said between other parts of the country East London, Birmingham, and Northern Cities and the connection between Pakistan. In London the 9% black population account for 40% of the knife crime. Nationally the 1.5% black population fill 15 % of the prisons, they commit a disproportionate amount of the gun, knife and rape crimes, fact. The hippie left like to state that this is because of poverty. Well this is a racist sentiment in itself. The only way to get out of poverty in a capitalist society is through hard work and intelligence, so blaming the crime rates on poverty is just as bad as saying that black people are lazy and stupid. People don’t just ‘magically change’ when they enter are boarders, 1/3 world people equal a 1/3 world country. Multiculturism is built on the false assumption that all races and cultures are equal, this is like stating that Europe is equal to Africa, when it obviously isn’t.
    A question the Sikhs and Hindus need to ask themselves is ‘what if the BNP capitulates and Islam is all over?’. A large proportion of them are in this country today as they fled their previous one due to Muslims, are they willing to let history repeat itself? The Muslim population is growing rapidly, it more then doubled within the last decade. With a fertility rate of 3.8, double that of the English, along with polygamy and the ability to bring in women from Pakistan, the Muslim population will continue to rise at an explosive rate. They state that Islam is a religion of peace, and you can clearly see that Islam brings terror wherever it goes. They state that not all Muslims are extremists, but Muslims breed and there’s only one version of the Koran. In a poll 100,000 Muslims declared they openly support Al Queda and feel the 9/11 and 7/7 bombing were justified. These people are living amongst us today and want to see us dead. There has been a ridiculous amount of both failed and successful acts of terrorism by the British born Muslim community within are country. The most well known are the 7/7 bombings. One of most deadly would have been an attempt by a Luton Muslim called Abu Munthir. He wanted to detonate a dirty bomb in this country and would have achieved his objective if the police hadn’t foiled his plans. How long till the next successful deadly attempt? It would be foolish to say that there won’t be any retaliation as there wasn’t last time. A lot of people will die and it will be entirely the fault of the left. Our government has made it clear that they are unwilling to expel nasty Muslim characters like Anjem Choudary from our county. Instead he lives on benefits paid by the British tax payer, and his very presence in our country could lead to the deaths of those same people who pay towards his benefits.
    The stupid and the brainwashed like to portray an image of a ‘final solution’ scenario occurring if there was ever to be a BNP government. Unlike Nazi Germany we live in a democracy, no one wants a Civil War with the 7 million non whites living in this country, no wants to live in a war zone. If this was to happen it would be likely that another hippie government would take over after the BNP, as no one would vote for the BNP again, let those who had been previously expelled back into the country, and they’d each be 20k richer anyway.
    Another important issue we are going to have to deal with is the fact that the total number of white people is declining, while the number of the all the other races are increasing. White people are less than 8% of world population and declining, we are a minority, and yet the majority still call us racist for trying to stop our race from being overrun, every race has a homeland (Asia is 99% Asian, Africa 99% African) but Europe is less than 40% European and declining from third world (mostly Muslim) races coming to work and intermarry and we are still made to take it. Our race is dying thanks to hip-hop and the ADL making white people feel guilty of saying they proud of being white.
    The whole world population is nearly 7 billion people and of that more than 70% are Indian/Asian, and on top of that rnb and hip-hop is making teenagers want to be black and trendy for blonde haired white girls to go out with black guys in high school because there’s no white pride, if you look into the future you will see the white race will die out, we black/brown/blonde haired whites are only 8% of world population and decreasing, media will realize this a bit too late just like they ignored the “global warming” phenomenon.
    40% of London is now non-white. Whites will be a minority group in Leicester by 2010, 2015 in Birmingham, and by 2025 in Oldham and Bradford. When will this stop? White people have the lowest fertility rate of all the races and cultures in this country at 1.8, while the ideal rate is 2.1 for the desired growth rate. At 1.8 are race, along with are culture will decline. As more and more unskilled foreigners enter this country more and more skilled Brits are leaving. 400,000 Brits left alone last year, in comparison 450,000 Brits died during the whole of World War 2. The same is happening in America, by 2050 it’s expected that white people will become a minority group, mainly due to Latino immigration. In Sweden Jens Orback, former Cabinet Minister for the Social Democrats, said during a radio debate that: “We must be open and tolerant towards Islam and Muslims because when we become a minority, they will be so towards us.” The Swedish Social Democrats appear to have decided that the way to regain and maintain power is to import Muslim voters (which also appears to be a Labour tactic). They must be mad, when they become the minority Muslims will convert, kill and rape the lot of them (they already have the highest rape figures in Europe due to a recent influx of Muslim immigrants).
    It’s a precarious position being an ethnic minority. The Native Americans and the Aborigines now live on benefits because of it (but at least they fought back with their bows and arrows and spears and didn’t just allow it to happen) and we all know what happened to the Jews. The Germans hatred of the Jews was because of jealously, the Jews had the jobs, the money and businesses. There’s not a race without a story of what the white man has done to them. We’ve colonized and controlled others countries, enslaved and annihilated other races. If white people were to become a minority a similar hatred because of jealousy would likely occur. Additionally in a democracy we would be unable to stop Sharia Law occurring. Do you really hate your own race so much you wish to see it extinguished? Are you prepared to voluntarily give up your own country?

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  2. scot says:

    Hi there, what a lovely long response.
    Trouble is, you start it by making the point that there are only “some” similarities between the BNP and the Nazi party.
    Phew, lucky that. I thought that the BNP were a group of fearmongering, racist, white-supremacists who would advocate some sort of whites-only land.
    Apart from the fact that this would be impossible even if all concerned, or even a majority of those concerned, agreed to it the actual idea of “original” people (in Britain) is nonsense.
    White people are not a minority. Even when/if that happens (and that would take a very long time, despite any misinformation you have been given to the contrary), the solution is for us all to live together, just as the majority of the UK population think right now.

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  3. Barbara says:

    Interesting to see a white racist standing up for the rights of aboriginal peoples – but about four hundred years too late.

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  4. Joan Walters says:

    It says: “Traditionally, our identity has come not from race, but from our respect and admiration for our institutions like the army, Parliament and the Church. To be British is to possess the gentle values which bind us all: tolerance, respect for one another and fair-play” – yes, but those “gentle values” are unique to caucasian (ie white European) people. Only we possess the reciprocity which means that not only do we consider the other person’s view to be equally valid to ours, but that it may even be better, more correct than ours. Such an outlok is not shared by other races, which is why democracy only flourished in Europe, why it didn’t arise spontaneously in Africa, Asia and other alien parts, and why – when we introduce democracy into other alien lands – it usually fails. The spiteful, unBritish attitudes shown by the enemies of Britain and the BNP (including this web site) are further evidence of that (just look who fronts the human rights/anti racism outfits – certainly not British).

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  5. Diana, why on Earth would the German electorate have voted for the British National Party? A humiliating defeat at the hands of the British and Americans was within living memory.
    Apart from this, you make some valid points, but for labour voters to change their allegiance to the BNP would be to change one load of lying left-wingers for another.
    Trevor Philips, like Dr John Sentamu, has made the point that preferential treatment of immigrants is alienating white people. THIS is why he is the subject of so much left-wing opprobium.

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  6. Tree says:

    Seen this comment before Diana – my opinion against your fascist propaganda is in the article regarding the BNP’s warped views on history.

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  7. Bill Corr says:

    Well, when we say ‘Indigenous’ in the context of the British Isles, we mean the 80%+ of the population whose ancestry stretched back to the Stone Age hunters who settled in what are now the British Isles after the last major glaciation.

    As to the native Americans and Australians, they were overwhelmed by greater numbers and superior technology. They didn’t invite aliens to settle among them as:

    -A- Citizenry of a meaningless ‘Commonwealth’

    -B- Cheap labour to keep the native textile industry going for another half-generation

    -C- Pitiable refugees and asylum-seekers

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  8. charles says:

    No the liberal, marxist people are correct. there is no such thing as being British. everything worthwhile was and still is being achieved by “people of colour” steam engines- that was africa, white scum stole the idea.
    Electricity- asians, again white scum stole the idea.
    antibiotics-Chinese.. and so on and so on in fact all the great anglo saxons are just foul racist scum and this isn’t their country at all, they stole it off the third world. even the language is just a pale pathetic attempt at arabic..
    no the liberals are correct in all they say…
    mind you we’ll see how long they keep saying it during the; “short drop with a sudden stop”

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  9. Nick says:

    Being British, Charles, is whatever you make of being British – generally, it’s widely accepted that by having a British passport, this means that you have British citizenship, and therefore you are a Briton. That is the way that nationality works. If you’re proud of being British, then this is a step further, so as to imply that you enjoy being a citizen of Great Britain, and that you embrace our culture and extensive history. Anything beyond that, such as white supremacy, on the other hand, is not what being British is about – that’s being fascist. That’s what we’re against, as it is remarkably similar to what the BNP is trying to promote. Just take a look at these comparisons, put up on another website:

    Nazi Party
    We demand the union of all Germans in a Great Germany on the basis of the principle of self-determination of all peoples.

    BNP
    It believes that the indigenous peoples of the entire British Isles, and their descendants overseas, form a single brotherhood of peoples, and is pledged therefore to adapt or create political, cultural, economic and military institutions with the aim of fostering the closest possible partnership between these peoples.

    Nazi Party
    Only those who are our fellow countrymen can become citizens. Only those who have German blood, regardless of creed, can be our countrymen. Hence no Jew can be a countryman.

    BNP
    The British National Party stands for the preservation of the national and ethnic character of the British people and is wholly opposed to any form of racial integration between British and non-European peoples. BNP activists and writers should never refer to ‘black Britons’ or ‘Asian Britons’ etc, for the simple reason that such persons do not exist.

    Nazi Party
    Any further immigration of non-Germans must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who have entered Germany since August 2, 1914, shall be compelled to leave the Reich immediately.

    BNP
    It is therefore committed to stemming and reversing the tide of non-white immigration and to restoring, by legal changes, negotiation and consent, the overwhelmingly white makeup of the British population that existed in Britain prior to 1948.

    Nazi Party
    We demand that there be a legal campaign against those who propagate deliberate political lies and disseminate them through the press.

    BNP
    The BNP stands for the revolutionary principle that the printing presses and broadcast channels of the media must tell the truth in their reports…. we will create a new criminal offence of “The deliberate dissemination of falsehoods about an individual or organisation for financial or political gain” by any media outlet.

    Nazi Party
    All editors and their assistants on newspapers published in the German language shall be German citizens.

    BNP
    A separate danger to genuine democracy comes from the concentration of ownership and control of the mass media in too few hands, particularly when the hands concerned are those of foreigners whose primary loyalty is not to Britain.

    Fascism
    An inherent aspect of fascist economies was an economy where the government exerts strong directive influence. Fascist economies were based on private property and private initiative, but these were contingent upon service to the state. Fascism opposes many capitalist tenets, such as support of free trade and free international movement of capital.

    BNP
    The British National Party is pledged to the maintenance of a private-enterprise economy operating within a broad framework of national economic policy. It is opposed to international monopoly capitalism and to laissez-faire free trade and free movement of plant and capital.

    Fascism
    Fascist movements oppose any ideology or political system that is deemed detrimental to national identity and unity, such as communism and laissez-faire capitalism.

    BNP
    The British National Party is implacably opposed to Marxism and liberal-capitalist globalism, which undermine our standard of living, human and ecological welfare, freedom and national identity.

    Fascism
    Fascism tends to promote principles of masculine heroism, militarism, and discipline; and rejects cultural pluralism and multiculturalism.

    BNP
    The compulsory National Service system….would begin at the age of 18 with a period of basic training in the army. This would include full training with the citizens’ assault rifle. Conscientious objectors who refuse to undertake military service would be allocated other constructive work for the community, but would NOT receive THE CITIZEN’S RIGHT TO BE ARMED, or THE RIGHT TO VOTE.

    Remarkably similar, don’t you agree?

    Personally, I would never want to be associated with the mass-killing of another few Million Jews and other oppressed minorities (and don’t even try and cover it up – the Germans don’t any more), and that is what could potentially happen with the BNP in a worst-case scenario. I really don’t want to take that chance, and nor do the other “liberal, marxist people” posting against the BNP.

    As for inventions, yes, Whites did create such things, because our civilisation was developed in a land which had more than adequate resources. The ancient Egyptians did a great deal more in terms of technology and architecture for the time with a lot less resources than us Brits can get hold of. As well as the invention of modern technologies, Whites also created forms of government, such as the feudal system, which discriminates against poor people, nationalism, which discriminates against people not from a specific country and fascism, which discriminates against people not of a specific descent, either in terms of race or religion. We don’t sound so very impressive now, do we?

    As for our language, we speak a bastardised hybrid of Germanic, Ancient French, Celtic and Latin which is inscribed via a Roman lettering system and an Arabic numeral system, and generally has many phonetic pronunciations for each and every letter, depending on its place in a word. Our language is highly confusing, as, despite Oxford University trying their very hardest, there is no official way for English to be spoken, as there is no official governing body for the language. It’s therefore no wonder why only 25% of the world’s population actually speak it at all, contrary to the insular British tourist belief of “It’s fine, everybody speaks my language, therefore, I don’t need to bother learning anybody else’s.”

    Finally, as long as there is a breath left in my body, I will strive to ensure that I will never live in a country that is governed by an extreme left or right party, as both of them have the same views on human rights, i.e. the people that they govern don’t have any. If ever Britain does, I’m leaving, and I’m sure that there will be a mass exodus of people joining me in leaving.

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  12. jenni says:

    For the sake of this country WAKE UP!! look at islam4uk, or type sharia law into google. I am a british woman, I don’t want sharia law, however its already creeping into british law. I started out looking into the BNP as a protest against the labour party, however when i seen the contempt muslems have for us i was shocked.
    We are giving our country away. Look at the koran it preaches hate, it says its ok to stone women to death, chop off limbs, if a woman is raped its HER fault. In Afganistan there are muslems with british accents fighting our troops, what the hell is going on? Sep 11, the london bombings. Etc

    Please read the book “The politically Incorrect Guide to Islam by Robert Spence.
    He is an expert on historical jihad, he says to win the war on terror we must know our enemies.

    The kuran preaches hate i was shocked that this book is legal after reading bits of it. Muhammad told his men to offer non muslems only three choices: conversion, subjugation or death. These teachings are NOT marginal doctrines or historical relics they are taught in mainstream Islam

    Why is it ok to give this country away.
    What makes us british is shared valued, Islam does NOT share any values with us.
    They hate jews, christians, gays, women who don’t conform to there twisted view. I have a copy of the koran and it makes for bloody disturbing reading.

    We have many Bin Laden supporters in our country and no one will do anything about it, WHY WHY WHY.

    before you lefftys and bloody stupid librals give our country away look into it from both sides like i have. Read the Koran and the book by Robert Spencer The reason that islam is dangerous is because it teaches its ok to kill. The BNP dont say that.

    WAKE UP!!! before we have Sharia Law

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  13. Voice of reason says:

    Jenni Says “Look at the koran it preaches hate, it says its ok to stone women to death, chop off limbs, if a woman is raped its HER fault.”

    Caution Ex Muslim Quotes the bible

    Deuteronomy 22:22 “If a man is found sleeping with another man’s wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die.”

    Leviticus 20:10 “If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife–with the wife of his neighbor–both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.”

    Leviticus 21:9 “And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.”

    Deuteronomy 25:11-12 “If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.”

    Sharia has in now way crept into the staute book as far as English law is concerned .. ill check if you want but im pretty sure ..

    Im growing tired of the ranting of the ignorant

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  14. Voice of reason says:

    Sept 11th ? Im bored of it now …theres no denying that it was gruesome terrible etc , but for how long are we going to use it to justify every bloody attack on anyone we fancy.

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  15. Acorn says:

    VoR you are quoting the Old Testament. The New Testament, as it’s name implies, replaced this. A Christian does not need the OT. Islam still sticks to those teachings refered to above.

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  16. Voice of reason says:

    Hmmmm so the “word of god” is subject to change. It just illustrates you can dig around in any religion and unearth things which dont apply to modern life.
    As for the new testament it was written c200 years after the death of christ, the majority of it by men who had never even met him.
    The fact of the matter is people often refer to the koran as the definative answer as to how islam is practiced. When in reality the hadiths written 200 odd years after the death of Mohammed give further interpretation to the application of the faith. And Fatwas are issued regurlarly by islamic scholars relating to modern life for example it is now permissable to donate organs as a muslim when this was considered “wrong” previously.

    Im wondering if the new testament “replaces” the old, should we ignore Christ and worship paul as it seem most of the new testament was written/approved/edited by him?

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  17. MLJ says:

    So why are we fighting the Taliban, v of r???

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  18. Voice of reason says:

    Mlj they are cutting my posts
    but in short to move gas from Kazakhstan and to surround Iran.

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  20. WTF says:

    I have to say 9/11 some unexplained stuff there, fishy as hell, Saddam not to blame etc.

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  21. WTF says:

    Good work Diana!

    Now for Nick (not Griffin), how about running some comparisons between our Labour government & various Communist dictatorships or between the EU & the USSR?
    I think you might find some interesting parallels there & that is a clear & present danger to us, unlike the BNP who might have a couple of seats at the next election & who’s fault is that anyway?
    Despite everything there is no sign these greedy corrupt shysters in power have learned anything, they seen determined to carry on as before.
    They give away our sovereignty, that they had no right to do.

    So why haven’t you left already Nick?
    This lot not extreme enough for you yet?

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  22. Acorn says:

    “Hmmmm so the “word of god” is subject to change…” Vor, you are being deliberately obtuse.
    The earliest existing fragment of a Gospel was written before 68 AD.
    “Im wondering if the new testament “replaces” the old, should we ignore Christ and worship paul as it seem most of the new testament was written/approved/edited by him?” Deliberately obtuse again. Paul was a follower of Christ and did not claim to be anything other than human.

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  23. Acorn says:

    I see the moderators STILL cannot be bothered to deal with rogue posttings.

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  24. MLJ says:

    I think that our Jim may have got bored with his anti-BNP website. It’s hardly delivered the correct response has it? Just.. er.. Sam spewing up vitriol and bigotry against the BNP and a load of spam,spam,spam.

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  25. WTF says:

    Yes can I have something without spam in it?

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  26. MLJ says:

    Tell you what our Jim, there’s nothing British about all this vile spam!

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  27. Acorn says:

    Agreed. I have emailed Maurice twice in the last 2 days. The first was regarding the missing posts (I did this before but no reply) and the misused bandwidth due to unused threads and spam. No reply. The second was to point out that some links are pornographic. No reply and no responsibility. As has been suggested – no real interest. Very British!

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