Andy McNab has told the BNP, “give me my books back”.
The ultimatum comes after Nick Griffin announced that signed copies of Brute Force and Seven Troop would be auctioned to raise money for Help for Heroes.
McNab – ex-SAS hardman, Gulf War veteran and best-selling author – told Nothing British,
“When someone called me to say that the BNP was using one of my books in a publicity stunt, I was sick to the stomach.
“I served with men of all colours and from many nationalities. They were all equal to me. That’s what the army teaches you.
“Nick Griffin thinks differently. He thinks the British Army should be for whites-only. He thinks heroes like Johnson Beharry, our only living VC, should be sent back to Grenada.
“He doesn’t understand that what makes the British Army great, and what makes this country great.
“It’s the way we draw together people from all around the world and give them ideals worth believing in: tolerance, fairness, decency, looking out for the little guy.
“It’s the British way of doing things
“That’s why I’ve asked for my books back. Because I don’t want anything to help the BNP promote their poisonous politics of segregation and hatred.”
Andy McNab joined the infantry in 1976 as a boy soldier. In 1984 he was badged as a member of 22 SAS Regiment. He served in B Squadron 22 SAS for ten years and worked on both covert and overt special operations worldwide, including anti-terrorist and anti-drug operations in the Middle and Far East, South and Central America and Northern Ireland.
In the Gulf War, McNab commanded the famous Bravo Two Zero patrol, an eight man patrol tasked with destroying underground communication links between Baghdad and north-west Iraq and with finding and destroying mobile Scud missile launchers. McNab was held for six weeks and was relentlessly and savagely tortured. By the time he was released he was suffering from nerve damage to both hands, a dislocated shoulder, kidney and liver damage and had contracted hepatitis. After six months of medical treatment he was back on active service.
Awarded both the Distinguished Conduct Medal (DCM) and Military Medal (MM) during his military career, McNab was the British Army’s most highly decorated serving soldier when he finally left the SAS in February 1993.
Andy McNab has written about his experiences in the SAS in two bestselling books, Bravo Two Zero (1993) and Immediate Action (1995). Bravo Two Zero is the highest selling war book of all time and has sold over 1.7 million copies in the UK.
McNab is the author of seven fast action thrillers, highly acclaimed for their authenticity and all Sunday Times bestsellers.
Tags: Andy McNab, BNP, Help for Heroes
I resent Andy Mcnab using the BNP to promote himself and his bizarre vision of the world and what the role of Britain’s armed forces should be: not to mention his wrongheaded view of BNP policy regarding non-Whites.
If he’s serious about ‘equality’ I’ll expect him to argue forcefully that organisations made up of and dedicated to the interests of White people should have the same rights as the hundreds of organisations made up of and dedicated to the interests of non-White groups. But he won’t: anti-racism is a badge for him, not a principle.
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fellist, i think it is wrong that the bnp are using mcnabs books as a way of promoting their politics without his permission! And I dont think he needs to promote himself, he is one of the most famous men in britain! lol! and maybe the most famous ex-serviceman.
the bnp will latch onto anything to make themselves look like a ‘nice party’ but they may want to check that the people they are using to promote their own image actually give them permission.
good attempt of trolling this site, but seriously, what are you going on about. and be careful what you wish for…….. or maybe McNab will come and argue forcefully with you!
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bnp exploiting war heroes..very,very unoriginal
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We are retired ex-RAF, served 22 years, we have a son in the RAF and we have two nephews in the British Army, all have served time in Iraq and Afghanistan, and I can tell you that there are many many of our servicemen that support the British National Party. The Andy McNab books in our house are going in the bin. He’s entitled to his views, but as far as the British National Party are concerned, he obviously only knows what he’s read in the poisonous controlled media, unfortunately!
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McNab – you sellout..
I should have shot you in the desert when I had the chance – you pansie!
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McNab – living off the memory of those far braver and far more of a man than he will ever be – tosser!
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When someone phoned and told you that your book was being sold as a publicity stunt – you felt sick to your stomoch. So is this your first dealings with the UAF? There is one thing we all know about the BNP whether you follow their policies (if you have even bothered to look on their website) or not, there is one thing you can be sure of. They view our armed forces with an admiration and respect never seen from the three main parties. They would do anything for our soldiers – anything. And to talk about them in this way is to show a complete lack of understanding of their views. Even people who would never vote for them know this. Obviously you haven’t done tour homework Mr. McNab. If I were the BNP, I would hand your books back with pleasure, and then you can sell them for financial gain, instead of using the money to help soldiers in real need which is what the BNP would have done.
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Disappointed to see Andy McNab jump on the PC anti-BNP bandwagon. Seems like he’s spent too long in media luvvie world. Why’s he objecting to the BNP raffling his book to raise money for Help for Heroes?
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Well done to the BNP and BNP Scotland for actually doing something for the British soldiers. I know that some of the BNP organisers in Scotland are ex-army and are always willing to help out when needed.
Who cares what McNab thinks as all of the money is going to his fellow soldiers in need of help. If he is that bothered he should buy the books back and then the money will still go to the Help our Heroes organisation.
Again well done to the only party in this country looking out for the needs of our brave soldiers when they come home, well done the British National Party.
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british nazi party are an absolute disgrace,although i have no time for the armed forces,i congratulate mcnab for his stance against those fascist rats.
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If he wants his books back then he should try and win the auction.
Telling lies about the BNP put about by the media might put him across in a good light to the dim-witted, but intelligent people can see through him.
He can’t harm his book sales though, can he…
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So, let’s see, how many have been upset by BNP attempts to associate them with the BNP, without permission?
There was Dame Vera Lynn, whose songs were reproduced without neither please or thank you. There were the foreign models used to advertise ‘British jobs, British workers’. There was the unauthorised use of a picture of UKIP leader Nigel Farage on the party’s website, and the Polish piloted Spitfire used in the BNP Battle for Britain campaign.
Relatives of Sir Winston Churchill have denounced as ‘monstrous’ an attempt by BNP leader Nick Griffin to cloak himself in the mantle of Britain’s greatest wartime leader.
Less well known was the illegally-used BBC footage of the Edinburgh Military Tattoo on the BNP website.
Many artists including Dave Rowntree, from Blur, Nick Mason, of Pink Floyd, and singer-songwriter Billy Bragg took this theft of image so seriously they wrote “In the lead up to the European elections, it has come to our attention that the BNP is selling compilation CDs through its website in order to raise funds for campaigning. Many of the musicians featured on these . . . have no legal right to object to their music being used in this way.”
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in other words the british nazi party are CROOKS
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Kenny,can i ask you a simple question?Which soccer club do you follow/support ?
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Celtic, why do you ask?
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just curious thats all
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you support celtic AND the bnp,a conflict of interest i think…dont you?
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so what were /are your opinion of henke,pierre,fortune,n guemo,balde,petta,regi,agathe,to name a few,
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i think you were telling a little lie
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Henke – Best player I’ve ever seen in the hoops
Pierre – “There’s only one”
Fortune – Not proven himself yet.
N Guemo – Not proven himself yet.
Balde – Arsehole.
Petta – Not bad.
Blinker – Not good enough.
Agathe – Brilliant player.
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Since it’s 20 questions, who do YOU support?
Why are you asking me my opinions on non-white players?
And how on earth would my stance on Andy McNab create a conflict of interest with supporting the club I have been brought up with and have every right to support?
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Sam, can I ask you a question? Why do you object to the BNP raising money for Help for Heroes?
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Wow, the BNP really invade this site, dont they? Those who support the BNP today would now be pinning us down with the jackboot in German uniform had the Nazis won the last war. When you look at the idiocies the public fall for from the left, you can understand why the British Nazi Party believe if they repeat their own idiocies often enough people will swallow them. Its an insult to the memory of our war dead to allow Nazis to parade in the streets or display in any way the Union Jack. I’d love to see this banned.
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Barbara, you forgot their falsely claiming support from former NCO in the Scots Guards, Stuart Walker.
If that is Kenny Smith, could I ask him if he has any regrets about thisthis photo-op.
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Mcnab is despised in SAS circles for reasons to numerous to list, so it’s a little bit hypocritical for him to use the regiment as a blunt instrument against a patriotic party. if the choice was mine, i would not want his name associated with the party.
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Hippiepooter, apologies, I stumbled on your article earlier today and I hadn’t realised that it was only really intended for deluded Tories. I’ll leave you to continue your strange fantasies about the ‘British Nazi Party’ and return to the real world.
PS. I still don’t understand why Tories on this forum object to the BNP raising money for Help for Heroes
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I support Hearts FC, some other Kenny is at it.
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Nothing British about the tories. Especially when they have cabbage patch cameron at the helm.
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So Andy wants “his” books back, does he? They belong to someone else in fact, so… I suggest that the money raised on EBAY goes straight to the Help For Heroes charity. Then Andy McNab, a wealthy and succesful author, should be offered a chance to match the figure of money raised by BNP donations and procure the books from the BNP member who wins them and that Andy McNab then donates his money straight to the Help For Heroes charity thereby ensuring they get his money as well as the money raised by the raffle.
That way Andy McNab gets his book back, the charity gains from the money raised by the BNP raffle and the charity also has the bonus of the money from Andy McNab also coming into its coffers.
I am sure Mr. McNab would agree to such a plan, seeing as he gets his books back and the charity doubles its money.
A few thousand pounds is nothing to a successful author like Mr. McNab and as the charity assists the rehabilitation of wounded soldiers, this is something that Mr. McNab would obviously wish to support.
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Oh I forgot to mention… Under a BNP government there would be no British soldiers dying in Iraq and Afghanistan.
There would be no young British men and women returning home blinded, limbless and maimed.
This because we would not have sent them to fight a war for oil in Iraq and oil pipelines in Afghanistan.
The national security we wish to maintain and secure is based within the home front, and has no part in the oil imperialism of the US, UK and the global oil corporations.
The BNP does not think the army should be ‘whites only’ – the BNP believes that as much as possible the British army should rely on well trained British troops with British citizenship. The numbers of foreign troops allowed in the British army is pegged at 10 % of the total, though we believe this should be reduced. A British Army that fights around the world requires troops from around the world, a British Army that defends the home front needs no foreign volunteers other than regiments such as the Gurkhas.
As the BNP is anti-globalist, then our global military role must be replaced by a national defence role. The era where British politicians in the cosy confines of the Houses of Commons send British troops to die in foreign wars will be over when the BNP gets into power. No more Wars for Oil disguised as ‘Moral Imperialism’.
As for Johnson Beharry, he was a volunteer soldier from Grenada. His injuries require he remains in the UK for treatment and the BNP would never remove decorated war heroes such as him who deserve a home amongst us. He is loyal to Britain, so we are loyal to him.
There are millions of terrorists, foreign criminals, colonists, bogus asylum seekers, sex slavers, gun smugglers and gangsters in this country who we will deport when we get the chances – we will never deport men such as Johnson Beharry. To say we would is utter nonsense.
More from Lee John Barnes’ blog here:
You KNOW it makes sense!
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No doubt McBackstab will now be donating some of his thirty pieces of silver to that wonderful “charity” Searchlight.
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[...] by Rumbold on 10th September, 2009 at 9:53 pm Author and ex-SAS man Andy McNab has attacked the BNP for auctioning off signed copies on his books, which might have given the impression that [...]
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CarolineS – You say that the BNP welcomes foreign soldiers in the armed forces if on a reduced basis, whilst within the same paragraph asserting that the BNP does not believe in a ‘whites only’ army. I fear that you mix your semantics here.
If you say that foreign troops should be allowed in the army and not just ‘whites’ you forget that there are many British Citizens who are not white and indeed many of those who are soldiers, air force men and sailors. Whilst your comment may mean to illustrate the openess of the BNP it in fact goes further to show the entrenched racism of its party members.
Furthermore, you say that it is ‘utter nonsense’ to suggest the BNP would deport war heroes such as Johnson Beharry and you also acknowledge the role the Gurkhas play in the armed forces. I’m sure it does not need me to remind you of the comments made by Nick Griffin regarding such war heroes and veterans as the the Gurkhas in May this year. On radio 5 live he said, in refernce to allowing Grukhas the right to abode in the UK, “We don’t think the most overcrowded country in Europe, can realistically say, ‘Look, you can all come here.” This followed his accusation that “the Gurkhas signed up – frankly as mercenaries.” It does not seem to me that the BNP honours this countries war heroes.
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[...] and ex-SAS man Andy McNab has attacked the BNP for auctioning off signed copies on his books, which might have given the impression that [...]
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It’s now, to my knowledge, easier for Gurkhas to get UK citizenship, than for French Foreign Legionaries to get French citizenship. Easier by one year.
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[...] and ex-SAS man Andy McNab has attacked the BNP for auctioning off signed copies on his books, which might have given the impression that [...]
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Well, just thinking about this, Andy McNab is someone who has seen the horrors of war, knows what it’s like to have been on the battlefield, where one false move could mean the end of his life. He wrote the books so that people could understand the hardship that a soldier faces in war, with the particular viewpoint of Bravo Two Zero, a special ops unit. It’s clear that from his CV as a soldier, he’s probably one of the better ones to have been produced by the British Armed Forces, so he would know and understand the importance of people working together to reach a common goal, irrespective of race or creed. However, because of the fact that the BNP don’t believe in this, then he has an issue with it. This is not to say that he doesn’t believe in helping out his fellow soldiers who are currently in places like Afghanistan and Iraq (wars that, I agree, were completely unnecessary and that the USA should have done on their own), he simply believes that all people in the British Army should be respected. Also, it’s not like he’s done anything other than express an opinion, and as far as I can recall, freedom of expression, which is all he’s actually doing, is something that is part of the Declaration of Human Rights.
I personally feel the same way – all of the British Armed Forces are renowned to be one of the best in each of their respective fields, and so therefore yes, money should be donated to Help For Heroes, because it’s a brilliant charity. However, the fact that the BNP have jumped on the HFH bandwagon, and make it appear as if the whole idea to help out the charity is theirs, then this is wrong, especially as the BNP doesn’t support ALL of the members of the Armed Forces, but merely the people of Caucasian descent. This, I believe, is in no way fair, not just to more ethically correct organisations who donate and contribute more to Help For Heroes, but also to the people who aren’t of this ethnicity, such as the Gurkhas, who are brilliant soldiers.
The Gurkhas are Nepalese soldiers who essentially have one opportunity for a life outside of poverty, that being to become a Gurkha, which would guarantee citizenship in a more developed country by fighting alongside their soldiers in the harshest conditions. When they do 20 years of service, putting their lives on the line for that long, then they get to retire on a low pension in Britain for the rest of their lives, where the pension is still not enough to give them, nor anyone else, a decent standard of living, which is why in the Sandhurst and Aldershot areas where I live, former Gurkhas are now working in poorly paid jobs, such as being Car Parking attendants, in order to get more money. Now, considering that people like Andy McNab, as well as thousands of other British soldiers, would have died without the aid of Gurkhas, this appears disrespectful enough. If the BNP were to have it their way (which I sincerely hope they don’t), then Gurkhas would be stripped of their citizenship and deported back to the life that they’d been trying to get away from for 20 years. This is in no way fair whatsoever, and this is the reason why McNab is so opposed to the idea of the BNP doing what is essentially a publicity stunt using his books, because it goes against what he’s been fighting for for so many years.
And also, enough about him being a sell-out. If we could write books that good, we’d all be doing it, so stop trying to veil your jealousy at the fact that he’s realised one of his talents. He’s a person, like all of us, and so therefore, he’s got every right to voice his opinions, especially if he’s not happy with them. After all, we’re doing that enough here!
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I’ve heard that M’cnab was a loud mouth by other ex sas soldiers,Im a BNP member and very very proud of my country and party,Let the traitor have his books back or recycle them as toilet paper.
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For all the Idiots who are brainwashed by our media about the GURKHAS being striped of their rights to stay in this Country by the BNP,Well you lot of brainwashed idiots,The sun newspaper issued an appology to the BNP for lieing to the public about that issue.WAKE UP YOU NUMBSKULLS,especially TREE.
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RJMitchell, there is no denying Nick Griffin’s negative view of the Gurkhas, he has gone on public record so saying. See my comment above.
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Just watched the EDL video,what a lot of crap,go to the BNP website and watch the real videos especially the one that’Wolfblood’ put on and then tell me that the BNP are not right,GOD BLESS ALL PATRIOTS.
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Thanks Garreth,
Just read your statement,i understand that this present government dont pay the same army pension to those Gurkhas that have returned home to their country of origin,to those who stay here get full Army pension after 22yrs service to Queen and Country and rightly so.Surely if the Gurkhas want to return home they should be able to live as they would in this country.As a BNP member I absolutley support the Gurkhas,either way stay or go home they deserve equal pay,thats my oppinion and many others who are BNP members.The media of this country seem to brainwash the public and tell lies about the BNP,I agree that like many other parties they have there radicals but 99.9% of BNP supporters are ,careing,loving,ordinary people who love their Country and thats Patriotism.
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mitchell this isnt nazi germany…get real its 2009 not 1939 twat
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99.9% are brainwashed fools like yerself,and the other 0.01% are easily led sheep
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Well said hghh,you dont need traitors like McDrab,you should of shot him.and now for treason
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kenny(the alleged tim)its not your problem with mcnab thats the issue ,its your support for the british nazi party ,and claiming to be a celtic fan,for i know well your kind arent welcome there.
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Wakey wakey.sam pauli,
Im not brainwashed,i dont read or but newspapers,i look around at the state of this country as i travel 2thousand miles every week,i see more of this beautiful country in 1 day than you probably see in 1 year,thats why i’m probably more aware,I’m no racist either,i respect everyone who wants to live the way the British do,i dont want Islamification,this is a Christian Country,keep looking on the bnp website and be educated not brainwashed.
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now the fact that yer a jambo and support the BNP that makes more sense
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jim i ve got a problem with the bnp ..end of !
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try travelling OUT the country and meet other people from different cultures,and no one really gives a stuff about religion,as you can tell by the empty churches on a sunday
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sami
i do that when i go on holiday and then its left there and not brought back to this country,go and take more of your drugs,im sure you’ll end up on some other planet.
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rj thats why your idiotic party will never win anything ,you have claimed that i(1)have just got out of bed(2)i take drugs(3)ive never travelled which are all rascist propaganda spouted by a rascist egotist.
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NO,I am relating you to the UAF dickheads that turned up at the RWB,they looked like something out of a movie(total Recall)comes to mind the woman with 3 boobs(mutants),and before you say anything,thats my oppinion,you obviously cant read,i have already said i’m not a racist,
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NO,I am relating you to the UAF dickheads that turned up at the RWB,they looked like something out of a movie(total Recall)comes to mind the woman with 3 boobs(mutants),and before you say anything,thats my oppinion,you obviously cant read,i have already said i’m not a racist,..Oh yeah,i never mentioned you getting out of bed,typical you would make a good journalist….cry
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you ARE a rascist can you stop writing in semaphore rwb?uaf? who cares,people will stand up to your horrible little hitlerites ,so if you claim to be a member of the british nazi party,youll have to get used to abuse.
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you travel two thousand miles a week ,thats some route for an ice cream van!
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Sami………….got to go have a nice day………….RJMitchell..you probably dont know who he was……….ha ha
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aye was he no phil and grants uncle fae walford
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you could,nt insult me sami,i’ve got broad shoulders and i look after myself.lite up another joint.
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see they rascists nae sense of humour…must have been extracted from them at birth.
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never done drugs in my life adolph,havent you got any ethnic neighbours to go and taunt
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RJ, calling me brainwashed isn’t really going to persuade me to vote for you, is it? We might as well be honest and calm about this.
All I’m doing is giving my interpretation of what Nick Griffin has already said, both in quotes and also in your party’s manifesto. The fact that you want as close to all non-Whites out of the country implies that you want Gurkhas out of the country, as they are not White. Nick Griffin has also disregarded the importance of the Gurkhas as saying that they are merely mercenaries, and yet you’re telling me that all of that is not true, saying that they would be welcome to stay as British Citizens, even though that would be against your party’s policy. Which is it? Are you a party that stands for a White/Caucasian nation, or are you still encouraging non-Whites to gain citizenship here, which is in line with Left-wing policy?
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Just as a side note, I don’t read the Sun. I think that reading the Sun is like reading a picture book. All of the information I’ve got is from the BBC and Reuters, both of which are unbiased news agencies. Therefore, if I’m brainwashed, as you say, then at least I’m being fed such information from reliable sources.
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The Gurkhas did not fight with McNab in Northern Ireland or the Gulf. They weren’t allowed to be deployed in Northern Ireland, spending the 70s and 80s as the border guards in Hong Kong. They arrived in the Falklands at the end of that conflict, taking some part, but less than the civilian sailors of the Merchant Navy and Royal Fleet Auxiliary.
In the 1980s in Hong Kong Gurkhas killed one of their own British officers with a grenade rigged to an office door. Another young white officer was seriously assaulted by his troops.
A few years ago there was a call for an investigation into rapes by UK troops training in Kenya. The lawyer behind the move, interviewed on tv, was an obvious settlerist-Irish lawyer from Liverpool. When the investigation got underway, interviewing Kenyan women, it was found that the gang rapes had been by Gurkhas. The settlerist-irish lawyer and the media seem to have quietly dropped it.
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Hi Tree.
I’m back,u sound quite intelligent and understand that you think that the BBC are not biased,I would;nt believe anything the BBC says,they are and always will be to the left marxist government who are trying to make our country a multicultural society which i dont mind but do mind the fact that the Islamic religion is trying to Islamify our country,this will not be tolerated by the British Christians…………Please tell me ,when there was a riot in luton the news papers did’nt really report on it and whenthe Muslims were protesting about our soldiers in Afganistan,believe me,im the 1st to bring our troops home from that illeagal war.The BNP are opposed to the war in Afganistan anyway and our main priority would be to bring our troops home.
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Hi RJ,
That’s fair enough – it’s mainly down to the fact that the BBC explicitly can’t speak out against the state, else it gets shut down, so of course, there is going to be some bias, but from my perspective, the fact that I also read Reuters, which is completely unbiased, it tends to fill in the gaps for me. Since I am a lefty (not a marxist), I’m happy to read these views, and I can take on what you’re saying – some of these opinions have been shared by my parents in fact, who say that they are fine with a multi-cultural society, so long as the people coming in abide by our rules. To an extent, I agree, but I also think that there should be some degree of integration, because Britain isn’t the only place where there are race issues. The riots that occurred in Paris a few years ago were all started by a couple of black kids who ended up running into an electric transformer. They were being wrongly chased by policemen, with the instant stereotype being that they were causing trouble. This was in no way proven to be true, so essentially these kids died because of racism, and it really underlines the difficulty in big cities when integration doesn’t happen. If we were to integrate, I feel that there would be a better understanding between people of different backgrounds, and therefore, rough places like Slough, where racism is a huge issue, would eventually settle down.
When it comes to Muslims in Britain, I think that the problem is somewhat overinflated – the number of Mosques in Britain is just under 1,700. This sounds like a lot, until you find that there are over 46,000 Churches in Britain (Source: The Times), Christianity still accounts for 71.6% of UK religion in comparison to just 2.7% taken by Islam, and also the population is still about 92% White (Source for both: CIA World Factbook). Also, like I’ve mentioned earlier, freedom of expression is something that equally needs to be respected, and this comes to include Religious Beliefs.
As for riots, and even things as bad as murder and rape, they don’t get featured much anymore, because they’re becoming commonplace. In the Reading area, where I live, there’s been countless stabbings and rapes that have merely slipped under the radar after a brief mention by a local newspaper. It’s a horrific state of affairs, but there’s not enough time to report all of this, because if you listed everything bad that was happening, this world would get way too depressing!
Well, good. It’s about time they did get brought home. It’ll definitely take a few years, mind you – Obama’s having enough trouble as it is trying to get people out of there!
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big ian..you got a problem with the irish too
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Andy McNab aka DCM aka Billy Mitchell commanded the infamous Bravo Two Zero patrol, an eight man patrol tasked with locating and destroying poxy scud launchers which failed and got lost going round in circles almost disappearing up their own arrse till most of his mates were dead. The cnut even managed to find himself in the wrong fcukn country even stopping to ask the way. McNab is a walt, still a real pant pisser with them here and no the trains haven’t run here for years…
Pip pip.
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well said Colonel Buckshot,as i said his book would make good asre wipe.
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HI Tree
I’m a fuel tanker driver and deliver regulary to Slough and to be quite honest i have to check my truck over for bombs just before i exit the site.Now i don’t do that at many sites only a few where there is a muslim majority,a taqnker is more explosive when empty as we take the vapour back to the fuel depot to be recycled.I have the utmost respect for the Sikh and Hindu religion(they’re both the same religion nearly),I have never, in all the time that these peace loving people wanting to preach their religion to anyone,I would like to go to a temple and educate myself on their culture and their family values,more than what i can say about my own people.
Statistics also show that most violent crime is committed by the black culture,it has to stop,our country has never experienced so much crime committed by foriegn people against their hosts.
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Sam, if the Irish want to be a different people, then that’s up to them. But they want it both ways, live here but kick us out of there. I consider Ireland one country. It’s under two different admins..
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Ian,
It galls me how much you belittle the Gurkhas’ service to this country. If one just takes account of their record after the second world war, they fought a decisive role in the Malaysian Emergency, the Brunei Revolt and the Indonesian Confrontation. They acted as police in Hong Kong – notably during the time of the cultural revolution when Hong Kongers sympathetic to mainland communists were particularly restive. As well as policing Singapore during its time as a colony.
Furthermore they were invovled in operations in Cyprus, the 1st and 2nd Gulf wars, Afganistan, the Falklands as well as with NATO in Kosovo and the Balkans. This was in addition to peacekeeping missions in Bosnia, East Timor and Sierra Leone.
In fact the Gurkhas have been involved in one way or another with most major conflicts, which the UK has engaged itself in since Word War II. They certainly deserve far more recognition than you give them.
What I find most offensive however is your attempt to paint all Gurkha soldiers with the same brush in your reference to the 1980s bomb attack. I hope you don’t think mutiny is a new danger invented by sinister foreigners to attack white people with?
It is, unfortunately, a common enough thing in the history of the British Army. And any attempt to accuse all Gurkha soldiers of disloyalty by dint of their ethnic origin and as a cause of a few mutineers being the same colour as them is as outrageous as it is laughable.
RJ, I don’t wish to seem pedantic (or rude) but I have read the BNP website frequently and seeing as you raised the point of religion I wanted to point out this. The website refers to Christianity as being the native religion of the British Isles and as such has a right to primacy. This is not true. Christianity is an imported religion just like your much feared Islam. It was preceded by the Norse religions, Celtic paganism and whatever forms of animism were followed by the prehistoric communities residing in Britain before Celtic times.
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Gareth, so you knew about those things? You were keeping quiet though.
Killing of officers within the peacetime professional army is almost unheard of. Tell me another case apart from that grenade incident in Hong Kong? In big wars, conscript troops are known to attempt to kill their field commanders, although even that may be exagerrated.
I state these things to counter the Joanna Lumley image of the Gurkhas.
What they are like as people I don’t know, because I’ve never knowingly spoken with one.
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Thanks Garreth for the info on Christianity;How long has this country been practicing Christianity?I am sure its a hell of a lot longer than Islam.
After watching the news last night about the protest in Harrow,the anti islam protesters were a few in number unlike the muslims,please tell me why they then started on our police force throwing debris at them,the same thing happened in Birmingham a few weeks ago.It ha sto stop or there will be a spillage of blood.
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Thanks Garreth for the info on Christianity;How long has this country been practicing Christianity?I am sure its a hell of a lot longer than Islam.
After watching the news last night about the protest in Harrow,the anti islam protesters were a few in number unlike the muslims,please tell me why they then started on our police force throwing debris at them,the same thing happened in Birmingham a few weeks ago.It ha sto stop or there will be a spillage of blood on this Island which is’nt to far away.
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big ian ireland for the irish,not for london or for rome
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settlerist irish lawyer?wasnt it the british ,who by re settling scots protestants,and snatching land from irish land owners ,that caused the whole feckin situation in ireland in the first place
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Ian,
Can you refer me to your source for this alleged incident?
RJ, I agree with you that Christianity has been practised alot longer tham Islam in the British Isles. I also agree with you that there is a danger posed by Islamic extremists to this country. It is important to remember however that many moderate muslims denounce the actions or opinions of these extremists and say that their fundamentalist ideals do not represent Islam. It does seem to be a particular problem for Islam that it is used by fundamentalists as a vehicle to justify their violence more than other religions; the janjaweed in the Sudan and Jemaah Islamiyah in the Phillipines are such examples.
However other religions, such as Christianity, have also fallen victim to such extremism, an example being the Ku Klux Klan. The point I wish to make is that many religions are vulnerable to this sort of abuse by fundamentalists and that we should view very sceptically their claims to speak for the totality of their religion.
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Hi Garreth,
I would like to point out also that the BNP are not the KluKluxKlan………..I have seen no effort made or reported by the press to say that tha non radical Muslims are doing anything about the radicals,the Sihks and Hindus adapt in this country so why can’t they.
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I guess Sam “St” Pauli is a Celtic supporter, blinded by years of ignorant brainwashing and probably a supporter of IRA killers too, it all makes sense now!
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Sam, yes the English in the South pre-1922, and the Scots in the North, followed a settlerist mentality to Ireland.
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Gareth,
the Hong Kong grenade incident was mentioned in a book I read some years ago. The author catalogued the military success of the Gurkhas, then in the last pages asked the question whether the present(about late ’80s) generation were the same calibre of men as their grandfathers, citing the Hong Kong officer killing.
I’ll try to get you the actual published reference.
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RJ,
I agree that Slough is just an awful place, in general. However, although there are Asian minorities that do cause trouble in the town, I hasten to add the fact that White folk are just as bad. I remember one of my friends, an old neighbour of mine, played for one of the youth teams of the Slough Jets Ice Hockey Club for a few seasons, and it meant that he sometimes invited his team mates home. I remember one which I met, and, honestly, I’m generally not a judgemental person, but the only word that I could have possibly described this kid with was Chav – small, White kid, blonde buzz cut, had an earring in his left ear, wore a baseball cap with the cap tilted almost skywards and had a McKenzie tracksuit on. He openly talked about how he and his “crew” went about their anarchy in Slough, beating up locals who gave them as much as a glance, also beating up Asians if they came onto their “turf”, keying expensive cars, drinking, taking drugs, the list went on. All this, and the kid was only 14. Therefore, I would say that in some instances, particularly with places like Slough, which is not a pleasant place anyway, White kids like that, people with or who deserve ASBOs, are just as much of a threat to society, if not more.
Another thing is that Sikhs and Hindus already have their places of worship – Hindus can make shrines in their homes in order to practice their religion, whereas Sikhism teaches against religious ceremonies. Therefore, they already have adequate space to practice their religion. However, Muslims, like Jews or Christians, need a specific house of God to practice their religion, as they are all remarkably similar religions – Islam was the first, then came Judaism, and finally Christianity just over 2,000 years ago. Currently, the Jews are only a minority that mostly live around the London area. Therefore, they already have their Synagogues where they need them. Muslims, however are a larger minority, and are more widespread across the UK. All that they are asking is that they can build another place of worship, so that they don’t have to travel so far to worship. After all, I’m sure that you would be annoyed if you had to drive 2 hours in a car to be able to attend your church service. This, I feel, is one of a few reasons why Muslims in the UK are disillusioned with life in the UK, which can lead to some problems caused by very small Muslims groups. The same can also be said for Blacks – because they are not being accommodated for to the small extent that they would like, they feel oppressed (especially since we were a massive force behind the slave trade, which wasn’t right by any stretch of the imagination), which is why there are such tensions between these ethnic groups and us.
And No, we are well aware that the KKK and the BNP are two separate entities. However, I believe what Gareth was trying to outline is that Christians aren’t innocent by any stretch of the imagination. This has been proven through current groups such as the KKK, the IRA and the ETA (Basque separatist movement), as well as historic events such as the Spanish Inquisition and the Crusades. I grant you that the latter two are not current issues, but this still doesn’t make us completely innocent by being Christian. I, as an atheist, simply believe that religion causes way too much conflict in the world, and therefore I’ve decided to back myself out of it, but this still doesn’t mean that religion doesn’t cause me problems, in the sense that Christians think way too highly of themselves, when they’re no better than any other religion that’s done harm to a group of innocents. Plus, there’s religions fighting most places – Jews are destroying Muslims in Gaza, Hindus are destroying Muslims in Kashmir, Christians are fighting other Christians in Europe and Caucasia (remember the war between Russia and Georgia?). So no, it’s not Muslims that are to blame here.
Another thing, as Gareth has pointed out, is that not all Muslims are terrorists, and not all terrorists are Muslims. The KKK is frowned upon by Christians, like Muslim extremists are by Muslims, but I don’t see the KKK getting denounced by their faith and all being put behind bars or sentenced to death. The main thing is that these groups are based upon POLITICAL ideals. The fact that they hide behind religion is just an easy way of saying that they don’t really know what they’re actually fighting towards.
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Fuck the BNP!
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Thanks Tree,
The fact remains this is Great Britain and what ever the Christians done yrs ago should not affect us today,seeing as the Germans persecuted 6,000,000 Jews 70 yrs ago and yet how many Jews today have purchased Mercedes,VW and Audi cars,maybe they have short memories and yet we’re meant to forget and yet the Britsh colonisers supposed to of abused the foriegn lands or was it because we were so advanced for that time in history they utilised the minerals that were available in that time,of which has nothing to do with us in this present day.
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urban underclass ,you mutant piece of human skin,go and take an overdose you lowlife.
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RJMitchell,
I don’t usually waste time communicating with morons like you but, as a favor to someone, I am making an exception.
I just want to tell you to go fuck yourself.
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Tree, thank you for clarifying my statement. I did in fact use the KKK reference simply to illustrate the permeation of extremism into various religions and did not intend to draw comparisons between them and the BNP.
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McNab is actually reacting as expected. The flak the BNP get is so vicious that the initial reaction of anyone linked to them is to start professing their loathing of the said organisation and attacking a straw man.
His first paragraph is utterly irrelevant. Who derives their moral values from the army in any case? Surely you need a set of values with which to critically examine the army? Yet he apparently sees the army as the primary source of moral authority (They were all equal to me. That’s what the army teaches you).
Secondly he implies that the BNP deny the equality of the different segments of humanity. Not so. Wanting to preserve your own ethnic group and its culture does not imply that you wish to dehumanise any other ethnic group. Or does the fact that one has primary loyalty and concern for their family mean that they negatively disposed to other families?
In the second paragraph McNab attacks a straw man and pretends that Nick Griffin advocates a whites-only army and that Beharry should be sent to Grenada. McNab then proceeds to imply that what makes the army great is it’s ethnic diversity! What spineless pandering to multi-cultural ideology! I know that many ethnic minorities serve loyally and bravely, but to imply that ethnic diversity creates a superior army and a superior nation is an ideological statement and not an empirical one.
If diversity is what makes Britain great, was the country not so great prior to mass immigration?
If everyone is equal, why are muslims grossly under-represented in the army?
How did entirely white British units in WW2 operate without turbo-charging their genepool to make them “great”?
And it is a bit rich to accuse Griffin of not understanding what makes the British army great. It is not Griffin that has sent the British army to pillage half the known globe, killing and being killed for God knows what. It is not Griffin that is using the army for no tangible British interest. It is not Griffin that has overseen the demoralisation of the British army. Nor is he responsible for ordering rifles whose barrels melt under prolonged fire or helicopters which are useless because the programming codes were not provided.
Please, enough of this half-baked cowardly drivel.
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RJ and Gareth, no problem at all. I like to ensure that people can understand alternative perspectives as a means of resolving issues. Therefore, I’m just happy to help!
I can see what you’re saying, RJ, with regards to the whole idea of forgive and forget. I think the main thing behind the fact that Jews now accept German products is mainly down to the fact that the Germans held their hands up, admitted their full responsibility in the horrific event that was the holocaust, and therefore did not bring about any further suffering to the Jewish peoples of Europe. However, this is something that we are yet to do with some of the minorities in our country, even though we have made them feel oppressed for quite some time. We invited them to our country in order to ensure that we regained economic stability during the post-War era, promising them that they would essentially get the life of a middle-to-upper class gentleman, when all we were really going to do was give them a council house. Therefore, what we’ve done hasn’t really been fair from the very beginning, in my view.
Another thing – the only reason that we were so advanced at the time was merely because we lived in a land that had more than enough resources to ensure that we could not only become an industrialised country, but also to ensure that we could remain in industry for a long time. Places like Africa didn’t, which is why a lot of African countries are still yet to become industrialised, or even given things like running water or electricity, things that we’ve taken for granted for at least the last century. Therefore, with our technology that we had available to us, then yes, we abused that in order to abuse other human beings, which is in no way right nor fair. After all, if the tables were turned on us, then we certainly wouldn’t have liked being put on ships with no sanitation for weeks and months on end to be sent to a place where you would get bought and sold by other human beings, and then put to work for as long as you could physically manage it until you were either disabled or dead. It’s just another case of a lack of basic human rights.
And Jovan, diversity makes Britain great AT THE MOMENT because of the fact that we are generally so accepting of everybody who comes here, as they give us the opportunity to understand other cultures, and this therefore aids us to ensure harmony in our nation – nothing wrong with that, surely? Also, the reason that Asians are so under represented in the army is because 1) the vast majority of them are actually pacifists, and 2) because the British Army isn’t really fighting for much as it is! The Iraq and Afghan Wars are completely unnecessary, and if you took those away, then there would be nothing to fight for. Therefore, it’s understandable to see why there is a lack of participation in the Army by youths of any kind, not just those of Asian decent.
Also, we didn’t invite ethnic minorities over until AFTER the war. That’s why we managed without them during it. In modern times though, a lot of our leading businessman are actually immigrants, and they are contributing a lot more to our economy than a lot of “fully British” people can say.
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I am not surprised of groups like the BNP. As whites become less and less common throughout the world they will react like scared cowards and paranoid of ‘others’. We see this in France (NF), Holland (Geert Wilders), Australia (Cons) and US (anti-Hispanic and anti-Obama fanatics). The BNP is capitalizing on these fears by blaming all of UK’s problems on the ‘Muslims’- thus escaping the racist tag (“we love brown Hindus but hate those brown Muslims”- yeah right, as soon as the Muslims leave, the BNP will love all Hindus and Blacks…)
But if I were some lazy, white-trash loser living in some dying British town who couldn’t compete in the real world and had to look at one of those hideous British women every night, I would probably join the BNP and dream of a world without whites. In their flakey world, they would be no drunks, illegitimate children, crime, soccer hooliganism, union/management confrontations, drug abuse or any other evils.
Yeah right- the immigrants are never going to leave and even if they did, all those problems would still exist in ‘Christian Britain’. BTW, Christianity is a Middle Eastern religion just like Islam, yet it still belongs in the Britain?
While I know many of them are scared, why so many crazy Whites continue to support such ridiculously impractical parties with ideas that are never going to be implemented- expelling immigrants and returning to some “Christian” fantasyland that never existed- is something I will never understand.
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well said urban underclass…couldnt have put it any better myself
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gary stewart your a plonker..i take it your a rangers or hearts fan with this misguided patroitism for all things english,when the english canny really be arsed with yous ,and your blind loyalty to a parasitical over priviliged bunch of inter bred morons in london
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Ahh it’s all clear now, you’re a Celtic supporter who’s been brainwashed to hate “Brits” ahd the monarchy from an early age!
I’ll leave you to wallow in your own bitterness under the false guise of “Anti Fash” haha
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you are a horrible little nazi gary ,do you still seig heil at swinecastle
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my ;bitterness;absolutley priceless from a rangers/hearts fan.
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Now you are showing your true colours!
It’s all to do with football for you, little boy.
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nope your the one who started about football dr goebells
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whats it all about for you gary,you gonny change the world from your seat in the club deck.or your lofty position as baton chucker for your local fb,i think not ,just because you sing and chant your rascist songs dosent mean the world will change on you or your fellow rascist/bigots say so
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