48 people were arrested in Manchester
48 people were arrested over the weekend in Manchester, says the Guardian.
According to some estimates, 2,000 people attended the protests, by the English Defence League (EDL) and members of Unite Against Fascism (UAF) on Saturday afternoon.
Most of those who were arrested were for public order offences, but there were a few detentions for racially-aggravated offences, possession of weapons and drugs.
UAF protesters are believed to have outnumbered the EDL by nearly two to one.
Before the protests kicked off, the BNP released a strategically worded statement distancing itself from the “anti-Islamism” group. The BNP conspiratorially claims that the EDL is a Zionist front organisation, or is some other form of conspiracy run by “some dark hand” , quite possibly the State. But new evidence has emerged from UAF which claims that many of the EDL’s members have close associations with the BNP.
What isinteresting about the tactics of the EDL are its similarities to those of the National Front during the 1970s, who would attract supporters through their immediate concerns, in this case it the rise of Islamism in the UK, and then introduce them to a wider ideology of nationalism and race. Many lower level members of the NF would then pursue a course of violence and whipping up tension within fragile communities. So it comes as no surprise that Saturday’s protest saw some protestors sporting NF flags.
Tags: EDL, National Front, UAF
from afar it is difficult to comment; but it seems that the UAF are a bunch of troublemaking thugs, who seem intent on denying anyone opposed to unregulated mass immigration, any platform to protest.
are the UAF deluded socialist/anarchists or hardline moslem thugs(with chips on their shoulders)?
either way, under the democracy that is Britain, as long as the EDL stick to peaceful protest , they have the right to protest. The UAF seem intent on creating violent confrontation.
Remember, these moslems are not really British and they should respect the right of Britons to protest in their own country!
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blocking my comments again maurice?
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There is nothing BNP about the EDL…
You make yourselves look ever more grubby, NB, trying this smear by association. There were banners at the last EDL march saying ‘Smash the BNP’!
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these UAF seem to be thugs, intent on creating violent confrontation with those that have the right to protest in a democracy. Whether you agree with mass, unregulated immigration or not, Britons surely have the right to protest in their own country.
Many of the moslem members of the UAF should be glad they live in a country that allows protest, unlike the countries from which they come, and should respect the right of Britons to their democratic , (historically hard earned and fought for) , right to protest.
After all , surely true Britons have a right to have a say in the future of their own country
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Dear Aussie Al,
Sorry if your comments are being blocked. If you are posting words that a likeness to these spam companies then they get held up in the spam filter. I will try to find your comments and post them up. Sorry have been busy with stuff this morning.
Thanks for supporting the site,
Maurice.
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maurice
if you could list the words i should avoid, i will do so in future
thank you
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What the hell was that video about?.what a load of utter crap
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Aussie,
I have just gone through and sorted out the spam filter so that it is not so extreme. This should be less annoying now. A million apologies!
Best,
Maurice
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thank you and also thank you for keeping this forum open and allowing dissent, as opposed to the thought police at the Guardian.
Even though i disagree with this blog’s sentiment, it is only fair to state that you do not try and control comment
long live democracy
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bnp/edl/kkk/buf/ thugs bully boys reprobates,thats the future with the bnp..no thanks
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Agreed with you on that one!
Btw, would honestly be interested to know what sentiments you specifically disagree with?
Cheers for the support.
M
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Anti Racism,Anti Fascism, Honesty,
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To be honest maurice im not a tory supporter either,but you probably gathered that mate
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HAHA. Sam, I think we gathered that a long time ago.
But you have the grand title of being our most prolific commentator!
Thanks for all your support. We really appreciate it. (Whatever your stripes)
Best,
M
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im more likely to found in hoops rather than stripes,anyway cheers …sam
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Nothing British about socialism or Islam.
Well done EDL.
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in my opinion, the UAF and the EDL have a lot in common. both are violent and full of disgruntled idiots without jobs who spend their time working out how to annoy the other group. one set is a bunch of skinhead nazi idiots, the other a bunch of pot smoking hippy idiots.
isnt nothing british against mass immigration? maybe the uaf will start attacking you now!
all these people who say that Asians arnt british? I dont get this. what makes someone british? the british empire spanned two thirds of the world at the end of the 19th century. making plenty of ‘foreigners’ british. also, immigration has been happening in britain for a long time. you should all take a look back at your own histories. i bet every single one of you has ‘foreign’ blood in you somewhere.
thats what makes britain british. diversity and internationalism
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applaud applaud
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nothing british about the bnp/edl/buf/nf
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is it me or are the edl just footie hooligans without a match to go to,they cetainly sound act and dress in that”soccer firm”way,still im sure they ll get a warm welcome in Glasgow next month………….lol
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An e-mail arrived this morning telling me about a Newsnight programme which reported the following:
1. The EDL has about 500 members and thousands of on-line supporters.
2. It is connected to football fans and seems to recruit on the terraces.
3. It has links with Ulster… Why not ask that Tim Mongomerie bloke to get more details? He’s a Proddy Boy isn’t he?
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Sam,
Yes, they will be welcomed in Glasgow, especially if they do have Ulster links.
Come on Tim:
The crown of the causeway on road or street,
and the Papes beneath my feet!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-76WYlAP8SE
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exile,do you think glasgow is exclusivley pro ulster?if the edl think so ,they WILL get a nasty shock,
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Who the feck is tim montgomerie?
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exile.They wont marching down the Gallowgate,
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Paul,
He’s one of the gang that created this site. I realise that not all Jocks are Prods, but the Famine Song is a hit up there nonetheless. (Get it on YouTube)
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jdmh
your attempt to define britishness would be insulting to people with a more clearly defined version of what is british.
allow british people who do not see foreigners as ethnic british to make a definition regarding their identity. I find it insulting to my intelligence to have an eskimo from canada or an abo described as british , just because they were born under the british empire
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The BNP has nothing to do with EDL!
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and sinn fein has nothing to do with the ira?
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maurice
the sentiment i disagree with is the attempt by your blog to portray ordinary Britons who support the BNP as neo nazis and thugs, when quite clearly they are a party that have tapped into a vein of discontent and seek to address the excesses of mass migration from third world countries to Britain. Supporters of the BNP appear to be ordinary Britons who are concerned with this important issue and the BNP are the only party with the guts to do anything about it.
It is disingenuous of this site to portray the BNP and its supporters as nazis. It is common knowledge that the Torys are concerned with the possibility of a drift in votes from them (you) to the bnp at next years election. Liebor are dead men walking and the Torys are the heir apparent: your attempts to portray the BNP as not the British way is a vain attempt to slander your potential rivals.
Mate, we saw the same thing here a decade ago, when the One Nation party began to gain traction.
If the torys want to assure themselves of this block of votes, they should grow balls and state a hardline immigration policy, because your pussyfooting around the PC brigade is only contributing to a decline in Britain and is allowing the for the permanent transformation of the British makeup.
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i think youll find the tories where the catylyst in the DECLINE of Scotland
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exile the famine song is another attempt by the racists do demean a generation of immigrants,but as i ve said before ,its all water off a ducks back,and anyone caught singing this dreadful “fascist” ditty faces imprisonment
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hey sam, are you found in green hoops by any chance?
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no.i support Kilmarnock
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evrthing must be black and white for you aussie(or green and blue)
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Paper Roses and all that
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Danny Invincible star player(hes an Aussie)
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then you are found in stripes (blue) and not green hoops; good luck against hibernian (thank god for google) on the weekend
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… i’m off down the pub for a 3 pound steak (price not weight) as we do have more cattle than foreigners here and meat is bloody cheap compared to there, but alas beer is on a rough par price ways
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cheers,have a good one
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My local side,Ardeer Thistle FC play in red and white HOOPS ,thats where the hoops come in sport
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i couldnt find them on the BBC football website, must be a local team!
in regard to our chat re celtic/rangers, there is an interesting interview with the celtic chairman on the bbc football/scotland website regarding the future of scottish football; is a radio interview but you might appreciate its content
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heard it all before,john reid(war criminal)celtic chairman or the other chancer peter lawell,who is basically the money man,thats why he signed the japanese boy and now the chinese boy to exploit the asian market,if you try ayrshire junior football ,you might find Ardeer Thistle FC.
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regarding the celtic/rangers proposed move to england,i think ultimatley the powers at be at sky television will ultimatley decide,thats the way sport works nowadays,money is the deciding factor.Sky have said the most subscribers that they have ever had for a sporting event was an old firm derby a few years back,and they know the potential.The top 4 clubs in england would soon become the top 6.
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they were discussing a league with portugal,holland, belgium and a few others, sounded interesting, as celtic is apparently the 8th biggest club in the world.
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The EDL are at least for Britain.Muslim fundamentalists are an enemy within,created by our lax policies on immigration,race,and multiculturalism.
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blah de blah de blah aussie just he 8th
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blah de blah de blah aussie just the 8th
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edl are for england mate ..not britain,right enough yous thick english bams think england is britain
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So Sam have you applied for the Glaswegian interpreters job mentioned on the BBC?
You’d be a natural for it.
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sure josie sure huv pal you goat aproblem wae that ,if ye huv,ill tell you this boy
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i was on demo and there was no nf or bnp flags. was the person who wrote this even there??? there are black lads and asian supporters of the edl so how are we racist? do you people even know what we stand for? have you bothered to ask? or is it just easier to say we are a racist mob when are anything but that. OPEN YOUR EYES WE ARE NOT RACIST!!!
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you re football hooligans without a game to go to
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haha thats quite funny. i dont even like football mate. im just sick of muslim extremists praching hate and death to non muslims on our streets. does that make me a racist football hooligan? did post this once but doesnt seem to of come up
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excuse the spelling mistakes lol
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ok your just thugs looking for a fight ,sorry.
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heard that the edl are linked to various footie”firms” i suppose that dosent mean all its warriors are footie fans
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im not a thug and dont want to fight anyone, im a father of 2 who has a full-time job. im just worried about what is happening to my country and what it will be like for my 2 lads to grow up in. have you seen the pictures of muslims insulting our soldiers returning home? do you agree with that? oh and i accept your appology thanks
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no one s questioning your “britishness”,but stand back and look at what others are seeing,marching throught the streets waving flags with the chants of “ingerlund”,it looks like people going to/leaving a football match,surely you can see this.what do need to apoligise for,i class myself as Scottish-not british,i can only take in what i see on the vids and on the news
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thats a fair point which i accept, but im sick of being called racist because i protest against muslim terrorists living in britain. we are at war with terrorists after all. they are sending money back home to fund weapons that are being used against our forces. we probably paying for them through our tax. is this right?? its the same as having german nazis living over here during WW2 and preaching there hate in our streets and us letting them. there are a few idiots in the edl i know i went to manchester and i was there. there were no nazi salutes that was people putting there hands in the air singing, football style i agree.
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surely ,as you seem a decent bloke,you can channel your feelings into some thing more positive!if i was out shooping with my missus and saw edl coming towards me singing and flag waving,id definatly avoid them ,and im Scottish,white and blonde,so i think yous aint doing your cause much good in the way yous are doing just now.
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what other way is there. if you speak out in the street you will probably get arrested, its the only way we can get our cause noticed by the press ect. honestly mate most edl members are good blokes. if you was to see us in the street you would have nothing to worry about at all mate. most shoppers in manchester was clapping us as we made our way from the demo. all the old men out with there wifes was clapping and giving us the thumbs up. i cant see why people think we are extreme right wing nazi thugs. we have banners saying smash the bnp, we have members from most religions, young, old, male, female, black, white and want to be peacefull. the uaf believe in freedom of speach for themselves but nobody else
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Hi Ian
Have you come across any evidence that there are agent provocateurs such as undercover police trying to stir things up within EDL protests?
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no mate i havent seen any, to be honest the police in manchester were very good and seemed to agree with what we were standing for. minus a few idiots of course. i was talking to a few riot officers whilst we were penned in the gardens who said they would come with us but cant incase they lost there jobs.
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Ian
Thanks for that, keep your ears & eyes open & your wits about you, all is not what it seems.
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wtf you said you deplored the idiots of the edl…whats changed? good exposure today in Scottish Sunday Mail about those decent chaps of the edl
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footie hooligans,criminals and c18 nf members,sounds like a nice troupe to be with…theyve promised the glasgow march WONT pass off peacfully,nice boys
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They’re not my words, I am suspicious of what is going on there & the possibility of agent provocateurs, so I wouldn’t get involved with them.
Ian may well be genuine but not wanting to join the BNP because of racism issues but maybe there is a hidden agenda there that he is not aware of from the state.
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I guess you’ll be there with your eggs then?
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oh aye,its ones duty as an ant-fascist to let them know that they wont get it easy
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and just to quell the myth the uaf are NOT involved in any protest.dont know why,theyre taking a back seat
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Something is cooking then & it’s not just your eggs!
BTW some bacon or sausages would go a treat with the eggs.
Could you see your way to some mushrooms as well?
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Sam, I should’ve said can you throw them in with the eggs?
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“Jdmh says:
October 12, 2009 at 2:40 pm
in my opinion, the UAF and the EDL have a lot in common. both are violent and full of disgruntled idiots”
That’s where the “idiots” quote come from Sam!
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So far I found a bit in the Scottish NOTW about a fan from Moscow copping a brick in the head from Glasgow fans.
I guess they’re warming up for the EDL?
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“SNP candidate slammed for ‘disgusting slur’ on voters”
That’s from the Scottish Record, Sam.
I give up, what rag was this foto in?
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what one the russian footie hooligan photo, wtf that was back in august,and it was footie hooligans scrapping with each other,have heard rangers hooligans are marching with the edl,another fun day in glasgow for sure
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wtf ” The Sunday Mail “
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sam you say you will be there ith your eggs. i thought you agreed that im not facist for reasons we spoke about earlier. i would also like to point out that i wont be going to glasgow as you can be sure it will turn into a proddy demo with flute bands and everything so its not for me.
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well i respect you for that,
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im afraid glasgow has more pressing problems with “orange” v “green” than to worry about black and white
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so why do you feel the need to still turn up to throw eggs? i know a bit about problems with orange and green, and that will never go away its been going on for 350 years
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im not turning up throwing eggs,me and wtf are just having a bit of banter
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i can see people waving union flags and ulter flags any day of the week in my town,dont need to go to glasgow to see it
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ulster flags that should have read
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if my sources are to be believed,i think eggs would be the least of the edl s problems come the 14th
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please continue
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cant divulge too much,but you do know there is a massive counter demo!im sure your lads already know that anyway.
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just spoke to a few “members” and no edl are going. apparently its the sdl, the scottish branch. im sure you are aware there is a welsh division as well. the welsh have done there own in newport to name a few, and this is the jocks first one. you should support it!
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Hi Ian, Have you tried to get interviewed on TV or by the press, anyone having a conversation with you will see that it is a few deadheads that are causing trouble, why is it that the bad behaved minority always get the attention and the good intentions of the majority are forgotten or twisted.
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no thanks mate,scottish papers are saying its defo the EDL that are marching,they are saying twas the EDL in Wales too,thankfully im 30 mile away so ill just be in pub watching footie or something,but theyll probably be a load from my town going to march(with the edl)
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when egging the far right … remember to seperate the whites first… lol
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Sam your not a football thug are you
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i have heard that the UAF arent getting involved,some group called the SSWP are organising the demo
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It seems even with the best of intentions some poor asian guy inevitably gets attacked as happened in croydon … though im sure he was a 1man al-qaida sleeper cell working deep undercover as a takeaway worker. Chapatti flour can be made in to explosives you know
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i know quite a few ” top brass ” in edl and i think there will be a few going but the majority wont. i think alot will depend on what happens in london and leeds. as an englishman i dont really fancy marching through glasgow lol. ITS TOO BLOODY COLD!!!! no tracy i havent, to be honest im sick of being branded a racist ect. when people actually take the time to speak to us before making judgement on us then they will see we are a good set of people on the whole. those who dont want to take the time to speak to us and ask our views and are happy to tar us with the fash brush then let them carry on they arent worth my time.
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Tracy ,no im NOT football holigan
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im not even a hooligan,i think youll find the people who wrecked manchester claim to be english and unionist,and loyal to the queen,theyre the only hooligans in scotland
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And not all nationalist are racist fascist!
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did i say that,sorry if i did
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