21:16: Victory for Stolen Valour. Nothing British campaign is first question on QT. Most people who watch this will see that we were right: the BNP has no right to wrap itself in the honour of our veterans.
21:16: Sayeeda Warsi on News 24: Griffin had no views to give.
21:17: Huhne on News 24: He was held up for the views he is famous for
21:19: Huhne on News 24: “He is pretending to be something isn’t.”
21:21: Warsi: “Griffin came across as the man he is. A bigot.”
21:22: He didn’t face a hostile audience or panel. He just held to account.
21:22: Supporters of BNP are not racist. They are victims of Labour and Conservative duopoly
21:24: The BNP hold out a prospectus of hate & fear
22:05: Sky News has a member of the audience saying, “Unfortunately, Griffin came across as more reasonable than the other panellists.”
22:08: Sky News: “It was a little one dimensional. And he didn’t get an opportunity to score cheap points. He has gained an enormous amount of publicity. The audience gave him more of a rough time than the politicians.”
22:35: Is it fair the BNP has hijacked Churchill?
Jack Straw: No. The Nazis, just like the BNP is based on race.
Jack Straw: We only won World War One and Two because of millions of black and Asian soldiers. They died fighting for us.
Nick Griffin: “Churchill would be in our party because no other party would have him. His views on Islam and immigration would mean the BNP would be the only party. My father was in the RAF, while Jack Straw’s was in prison for not fighting. (boos)” – Pathetic. Very: “my dad is better than yours.”
Nick Griffin is attacked by a member of the audience for having disgusting views.
Sayeeda Warsi: Any party that has the disgusting views of the BNP have nothing in common with Churchill.
Sayeeda Warsi uses our briefing on Collett.
Bonnie Greer: If I was a BNP member I would be scared on the membership rule change. What kind of a political party is based on an idea on an indigenous people.
Chris Huhne: “Nick Griffin is playing the same old game of peddling fear. One thing that Churchill was never is a fascist.” Quite good actually.
Griffin: I am the most loathed man in Britain by British Nazis.
Griffin denies himself appearing in films. Doesn’t deny sharing a platform with the KKK leader David Duke but says they are not violent.
Straw: “Griffin always wants to wriggle out his past”.
Griffin laughs very awkwardly.
22:54: “I can’t explain why I used to think those things.”
Griffin refuses to answer Holocaust questions. “I have changed my mind. But mainly on figures.”
Straw gets angry.
22:56: Why is Islam a wicked and vicious faith?
“Because it doesn’t fit in with the values on Britain.”
“I want to make a pact with Islam. Britain must remain a British and Christian country.”
Warsi: Does he despise Muslims or love them?
Warsi brings up his past with Gaddaffi, Khomeini and Farrakhan.
Warsi: “Mr Griffin is a thoroughly deceptive man”.
Griffin: I went to Libya to persuade Gaddaffi to stop funding the IRA.
Greer: There is a reason why Griffin doesn’t talk about Romans, because everybody was a citizen.
22:03: Is the rise of the BNP down to the governments policy on immigration?
Straw: “No.” Unbelieveable, Straw brings up Powell! Stick to your govenments role in the immigration debate.
Straw: “Of course there is a worry. But net immigration has fallen.”
Answer the question Jack!
Dimbleby: “Answer the question!”
Warsi: You are not being honest on immigration. Real issues around poverty, social deprivation and immigration have caused the rise of the BNP.
Warsi: “Lots of people who vote BNP are not racist” (Large round of applause)
Warsi: “Britain should not draw up the bridge. Britain deserves the best and brightest people.”
Well done Sayeeda. Excellent points.
Huhne: “Lib Dems are the only party that can tackle the BNP.” (What a joke)
Warsi remains stateswomanly like and does chip in on Griffin. Unlike Huhne, Greer and Straw.
Griffin: “We are the Aborignes.”
Warsi: “Do you know the definition of genocide? Mr Griffin, how appaling you use that term in that way.”
Griffin laughs very awkwardly at his 2:2 from Cambridge.
23:19: Gentleman calls Griffin a “dick”.
23:20: Griffin cites the YouGov poll from June 2009.
Warsi picks him up on aslum seekers.
Warsi and gentleman in audience pick up on Straw’s remarks on immigration. Field is cited.
Warsi to Straw “You are in denial” about immigration.
Lousy debate on immigration. Warsi only one to hold Griffin and STraw to task.
22:26: Should the Daily Mail have published Steven Gately article?
Greer: Yes, but it was wrong.
Huhne: Yes, but I don’t approve of it.
Dimbleby picks up Warsi’s remarks in 2005 on homosexuals.
Warsi: Journalists need to take responsibility.
Griffin: “I am against the promotion of sex. I believe in the freedom of the press.”
Audience shout out about Griffin’s homophobia.
Straw: Daily Mail article was odious, but I support the Mail’s right to freedom of press.
Griffin laughs awkwardly.
23:53: Has QT been a Christmas present for the BNP?
Huhne: Clearly it has. I don’t want the broadcaster to decide who can and can not come on tv.
Warsi: No. I think the audience and public are repulsed by Griffin’s values. I am glad it happened.
Griffin is shaking and looks awkward. Won’t answer.
Straw: A catastophic week for the BNP.
“Griffin is a fantasising conspiracy theorist”.
Democracy lives! Griffin has not done as well as some thought.
Tags: BNP, Nick Griffin, Questions Time, Stolen Valour
Its regrettable but my whole family has been forced by economic reasons to join the BNP. Their English/ British world has been stolen from them by incessant legal and illegal immigration. Where is Sir Winston Churchill, Admiral Lord Nelson and Iceni Warrior Queen Boudicca? My heritage, language and culture has been trodden into the feces by Brown and the labor party. The Conservatives are not that better. Bring on the British National Party. This would have been the last political organization, I would have accepted. This is insane and now our little island has been compromised by the demagogue Diplomats in Brussels.
GOD HELP US ALL
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I think where our political elite are concerned, he who is without sin can throw the first stone.
But most of them by rights should be buried at the bottom of a quarry when their pasts are analysed.
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They didn’t intend it but the other panellists reminded me of a game we used to play as kids, asking teachers confused questions that required them first to break down each part of the question and explain how we were using words wrongly or contradictorily. Sir, if the world is round then surely there’s no up or down and therefore no such thing as gravity? Just as the poor man began to stutter out his answer someone else would ask another stupid question. Chris Huhne insisting that what Griffin meant by ‘indigenous’ was ‘colour’ is an example. Where do you start when the guy can’t understand a fairly common word like ‘indigenous’ and seems to confuse race with colour and, presumably, the English people with all white people? Practically every question levelled at Griffin relating to race or ethnicity was similarly inane. The funniest of the night came from a girl in the audience who explained that humans originate in Africa so ‘we’re all ethnic minorities, really.’ What CAN this mean? Griffin just smiled at her and Dimbleby moved onto the next product of Franz Boas’s mischief.
That was the funniest challenge to Griffin but Griffin himself delivered the funniest moment, silencing Jack Straw by exposing his father’s war record. Straw had just finished his revisionist history of WWII – apparently it was all about defeating racism and no right thinking person then or now would stand idly by while evil like Hitler’s or Griffin’s threatened us all. Griffin pointed out that his own father, who has been accused of racism in the newspapers this week, fought against Germany while Straw’s father refused to do so and sat out the war in prison. Straw was utterly unable to reply, and Dimbleby shamelessly intervened and asked Griffin what relevance that had. If it wasn’t relevant Dimbleby should have told Straw that when he began his lecture about fighting Nazis.
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(following 10:20) Greer’s asking Griffin to define the English is a similar kind of thing. What the heck was he supposed to say? The English are a Germanic people, the dominant nation of the British Isles and one of the major nations of Europe. The great majority of the English are descended from early Celtic and Iberian peoples and the later invaders of the islands, including the Romans, Saxons, Danes, and Normans… ? [that from One Europe, Many Nations: A Historical Dictionary of European National Groups.
It was Griffin’s best moment when he raised his voice and pointed out that people like Greer and Straw only use this idiotic argument against white peoples. No-one pretends not to know who the Maoris, Zulus or Jews are, or if they exist as distinct groups at all. And no-one insists that Maoris or Zulus or Jews define themselves to everyone’s satisfaction to forestall an assault on their common goods and homeland. It’s remarkable that with Griffin being so frequently accused of racism and before such a hostile audience, the only time a specific accusation of racism received applause from the audience was when Griffin levelled it here at his aggressors and their crackpot – and racist – ‘logic’. If he’d not been so inclined to play nicely he could have scored a few more hits like that.
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I though Warsi was doing a much better job than usual until she delivered a spectacular bombshell: ‘there are no bogus asylum seekers.’ That’s what you get, Tories, when you promote double digit IQs to prominent roles merely because they aren’t white.
She delivered her fair share of confused pronouncements on other issues, too. The familiar line about Commonwealth soldiers serving bravely in WWII so that all of us today can enjoy our limitless freedoms was one.
It isn’t difficult to figure out that the generation of Asians and Africans that fought the Axis powers fought for their own nations (ie. peoples), not for some ideal of universal brotherhood. Immediately WWII was over these same paragons of anti-racism busily began booting the white man out of their countries! Quite reasonably they wanted their countries for themselves.
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Aaaah the standard they fought for themselves . so smart arse why did they come and fight in the 1st world war when independance wasnt even on the table then. 1.5 million indians volunteered and heres a little cut and paste from the longman companion to the first world war( a reputable and recognised reference book)
With regards to Africa, the figure of 55,000 refers to soldiers who saw combat; the number of Africans involved as auxiliaries or otherwise is likely to include several hundred thousand. Troops were drawn from Nigeria, Gambia, Rhodesia/Zimbabwe, Sierra Leone, Uganda, Nyasaland/Malawi, Kenya and the Gold Coast. Figures for South Africa are given separately. In the Caribbean, the British West Indies regiment drew men from across the region, including Barbados, Bahamas, Honduras, Grenada, Guyana, Leeward Islands, St. Lucia, St. Vincent and Trinidad and Tobago; the bulk came from Jamaica.
if you think reference books are part of a marxist conspiracy then try the commonwealth war graves commission.
You Sir are a tool of the highest order. In the first week of the poppy appeal where we rightly remember those who gave their lives for us, have the gall to attempt to belittle their sacrifice to justify your own beliefs about race and colour. Putrid Rancid man SHAME ON YOU.
I bet you have the gall to buy a poppy aswell you snivelling shit.
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Aaaah the standard they fought for themselves . so smart arse why did they come and fight in the 1st world war when independance wasnt even on the table then. 1.5 million indians volunteered and heres a little cut and paste from the longman companion to the first world war( a reputable and recognised reference book)
With regards to Africa, the figure of 55,000 refers to soldiers who saw combat; the number of Africans involved as auxiliaries or otherwise is likely to include several hundred thousand. Troops were drawn from Nigeria, Gambia, Rhodesia/Zimbabwe, Sierra Leone, Uganda, Nyasaland/Malawi, Kenya and the Gold Coast. Figures for South Africa are given separately. In the Caribbean, the British West Indies regiment drew men from across the region, including Barbados, Bahamas, Honduras, Grenada, Guyana, Leeward Islands, St. Lucia, St. Vincent and Trinidad and Tobago; the bulk came from Jamaica.
if you think reference books are part of a marxist conspiracy then try the commonwealth war graves commission.
You Sir are a tool of the highest order. In the first week of the poppy appeal where we rightly remember those who gave their lives for us, have the gall to attempt to belittle their sacrifice to justify your own beliefs about race and colour. Putrid Rancid man SHAME ON YOU.
I bet you have the gall to buy a poppy aswell.
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[...] The Nothing British about the BNP live blog may be worth keeping an eye on (although there’s not much there now.) Here’s the page [...]
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gary says he and his family have been FORCED to join the british nazi party,mmm sound about par for “them”
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23:53 should be 22:53, so the programme was 1 hour & 36 mins thereabouts?
So it was not live but delayed & edited?
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youre telling me that was the GOOD bits pure dead brilliant
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I was so angry that Nick Griffin was not allowed to comment on todays economic and military commitments in Afghanistan, you know, the kind of questions normally seem on QT!
I have complained to the BBC about their biased tratment of the BNP along with thousands of others.
The whole programme was shameful, even Dimbleby was shockingly arrogant and rude towards his guest.
A BBC ambush – Bring Mr Griffin back for a serious debate!
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Unfortunatley the Labour government has driven racism by outdated and ‘politically correct’ policies that take into account the values and opinions of the minority far more than the majority. My girlfriend can’t sunbathe topless if I holiday in a Muslim country, she needs cover up and not wear normal western clothes which I fully respect and observe. Yet many immigrants refuse to learn English when arriving here. I cant go into a bank with a crash helmet on, yet a full burka is acceptable.. why the hell does a bank need to appreciate someones religion? where does it become relevant? these kind of small unfair ‘differences’ are many of the underlying things that are driving the BNP to become more powerful………. mainstream party’s just dont listen to British people anymore. I would consider myself middle class….. where will i put my vote now? hell knows, top of my agenda is immigration. Is Labour tackling it? no, Are the Tories? no. These times are very similar to how the Nazi party came to power in Germany. Normal German people losing there identity, values and voice because the government wouldn’t listen to them for fear of offending a minority somewhere. Well how about them facing up to the fact that they have offended the majority ever since they opened up UK soil to anyone. Australia has it right, and as soon as I can thats where im headed. Let the immigrants devolve this country back into a third world. They can have it.
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Thing is Asif is that, as AussieAl will tell you, Australia has problems too, in fact most white western type countries seem to have the same thing happening to one degree or another.
Whose to blame?
Well those white establishment politicians for a start.
Who has put what look like enabling powers into place for a dictatorship?
Step forward Bush, Blair & Brown.
Will the Conservatives (or Obama) reverse any of this?
Somehow I doubt it.
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“youre telling me that was the GOOD bits pure dead brilliant”
No shite for you Sam!
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WTF, I agree with you, Australia does have it’s problems….. but they are more internal than to do with immigration itself. I remember a few years back when a passenger ship was anchored off their coast full of refugees, to which they were all refused entry. Like it or not, it sends a clear message to the rest of the world. We do have a clear message in the UK and it is something along the lines of ‘Yes we’ll take you, feed and cloth you, educate you, care for you when you’re ill.. all for nothing, we don’t even care if you believe in our way of life or values’ I have no problem in allowing ‘my world brothers and sisters’ in if they have something to contribute….. but to take my taxes, want their own laws, denounce my religion, and abuse my way of life is something I cannot tolerate. When I am in Rome, I live as a Roman, I observe and respect the rules.
Our politicians are so out of touch with the real world, similar to the business I am in actually……. full of graduates with loads of university theory, yet no real world experience or people skills, oh and they cant make tough decisions.
My real fear is this: We all know the state of our youth, respect has gone, racism is definatley growing, 13 year olds are carrying knives.. and the young people are the ones most easily influenced. What are they going to be like when they reach adulthood? Will the misguided views of the BNP now manifest themselves within today’s unloved and disintrested kids… I think so, and when that day comes, racial violence will come to the streets.
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“13 year olds are carrying knives..”
That rings a bell, I bounced the twat off a bus shelter outside Leyton tube station.
He was using his younger brother to carry the knife.
He wouldn’t be the type of person to join the BNP though.
The engine of this is world population growth expected to hit 9 billion by 2050, that will be mainly amongst African & Moslem countries, so that will drive mass immigration to the west mainly.
Is a population of 71 million in the UK by 2018 acceptable?
What if peak oil theory is correct?
The carrying capacity of the planet would probably be 4 billion if we are lucky?
Maybe technology & science can provide an answer but don’t bet on it.
I’d like to go to Australia but they’d only let me in as a tourist, so one day maybe.
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LOOK AROUND YOU MUGS OAPS ARE FRIGHTENED TO COLLECT THERE PENSIONS FOR THE FEAR OF BEING MUGGED , POLICE PATROLLING COUNCIL ESTATES WITH GUNS INNER LONDON SCHOOLS COMPLETLY BLACK OR ASIAN POLITICIONS NICKING YOUR MONEY AND SAYING VERY SORRY BUT YOU ARE INOT GETTING IT BACK AND BEING PROMOTED TO THE HOUSE OF LORDS
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“13 year olds are carrying knives..”
Also fronted one in Barkingside few weeks back, gave me all the mouth with his mates and flashed a knife when I was driving past. Soon as I ripped up the handbrake, spun round, jumped out and put him up against the Co-Op window I got a ’sorry mister, I thought you were someone else’ whilst his mates all dissapeared very quickly. But If the Police saw I’d probably be under arrest for assault…. priorities all wrong again.
Just read the Peak Oil Theory, very interesting. Arabs are finished when it dries up, and because the idiots haven’t invested their riches very well, the west will feel the price when arab economies collapse and they ALL want to come here…. I’ll be long gone thank god.
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I think everyone will be affected if Peak Oil Theory pans out & the world population growth forecasts as well.
Mind you I hear there are towns in the Australian outback were you can go & nobody would come looking for you as they are a law unto themselves.
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[quote]My girlfriend can’t sunbathe topless if I holiday in a Muslim country, she needs cover up and not wear normal western clothes which I fully respect and observe. Yet many immigrants refuse to learn English when arriving here. I cant go into a bank with a crash helmet on, yet a full burka is acceptable.. why the hell does a bank need to appreciate someones religion?[unquote]
The wearing of a Burka is NOT religious. The leader of the Sunni sect of Islam made this claim while attending a school function in Cairo. He demanded than the young teen remove it and never wear again stating that it had NO part in religion at all
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“The wearing of a Burka is NOT religious. The leader of the Sunni sect of Islam made this claim while attending a school function in Cairo. He demanded than the young teen remove it and never wear again stating that it had NO part in religion at all”
I would like to see him go to Saudia Arabia & convince them of that, what a step forward that would be.
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So would I, but they wouldnt allow him to as that would mean freedom from the oppression most saudi’s who dont have wealth live under. Here is a link to the article. http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/10/09/tarek-fatah-burn-your-burka.aspx
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I dont care what colour a person is! I voted BNP as a protest against the main parties as I am livid with the government about Agricultural Policy. I watched Richard Branson and All Gore on sky News talking about global warming and food production, They mentioned wheat production was vital. You are totally missing the point! Bread has already doubled in price, Europe will in places become too hot to produce wheat. The population of the whole world is rising. This is very short sighted to say we will import. France and Spain can’t feed the whole world. Have you looked at defras web site? Or read Agenda 21. They all know we need to protect Grade 1, 2 and 3a land. The politicians are just too weak to enforce there own policies. So who else do we vote for? I sent over 104 letters to MPs, News Departments, Local councils, Defra Departments Etc, Begging them not to build on a farm of grade 3a Land. No one stopped it!! The people who farm this land have lost there Livelihoods , Three farming families, including a 75 year old farmer who worked and lived on one of these farms has been made homeless and is now suicidal. DONT TELL ME THERE IS AN ALTERNITIVE PARTY!! THEY WONT LISTEN. The BNP did.
The whole agricultural campaign group voted BNP in protest. one of the local Labour councillors who wouldnt help said “If you dont like it you can choose not to vote for me.” How Rude. So we voted BNP. Labour only have themselves to blame!!!
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There is nothing British about banning nativities in schools in case it offends.
Live and let live!! That is british!
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what is british?what is this great myth?
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Not stoning people or animals to death for a start, like in Iran and Iraq. Not protesting about the festivals of other faiths. We have ours for example christmas. I am offended when other faiths protest about that.
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youre easily offended….see up here theyve been stabbing and beating people up for years because they come from another branch of CHRISTIANITY …is that what being “british” is about?
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you cant get a job in scotland in certain areas if you went to a RC school,or if your surname begins with the letter O,thats what annoys me about the “british”myth
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But wouldn’t you prefer being done over by of your own than somebody else?
“see up here theyve been stabbing and beating people up for years because they come from another branch of CHRISTIANITY”
But that is Scottish not British surely?
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“you cant get a job in scotland in certain areas if you went to a RC school,or if
your surname begins with the letter O,thats what annoys me about the “british”myth”
Again that is a Scottish problem & it is wrong, see what you need up there is somebody else to hate, the English need to invade again?
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We all know the scots are mad thats why they built hadrians wall. Ps. Im from the borders. But we wont a country left soon. The majority always rule. Now look at the state of south africa. Iran, Iraq. Is this how you see the uk.
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Yes the liberal left have done such a wonderful job in South Africa, Iraq & Afghanistan & now here.
It is amazing that you can get rid of apartheid & replace with something worse for many, put simply as no vote but a meal transformed into a vote but no meal.
Iraq, replace one mass murdering dictator with a load of mini ones!
Afghanistan, elections with piss poor turnout & more vote rigging than a Labour council election, passing laws that were medieval in medieval times!
How about the liberal left does everyone a big favour & admit you’re shite at fixing the world’s problems & butt the feck out.
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“But that’s Scottish, not British” – priceless.
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What I mean it seems to be a problem in Scotland not England.
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And my posts are disappearing ! Damn I must be annoying someone .. ut I 100% agree with you WTF the liberals do need to know they are shite @ EVERYTHING in this great land of ours and crawl back under their rocks.
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Great engineers they may be but I don’t think the Scots built Hadrian’s Wall.
WTF I guess that the neo cons knew that Iraq was basically tribal and that by handing the strongest chief (Saddam Hussein) over to his rivals for execution they would create chaos. Their main aim in creating chaos was to nip in and get the oil. Have you seen Fahrenheit 9/11? There is footage in the film which shows this very clearly.
Also we know for certain now that they have absolutely no interest in democracy so wherever they pretend to impose it there must be money to be made.
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It was built to protect england from the scots. The scots didnt build it! I agree its always about money. Thats why the labour gov wont protect farm land for food, at the moment houses cost more. and whoever controls food can control the people . The next 100 years is gona get bad. This stupid government thinks global warming wont affect the uk. We will all be starving when they have built houses on all the farm land to house immigrants!!
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I think Jenni was saying that the Romans built Hadrien’s Wall to keep the Scots out but it wasn’t that clear.
Mr Angry is being nobbled by the spam killer & we await Maurice to return from lunch & have a bin diving session.
I have seen Fahrenheit 9/11 & the other suggestion was that Saddam (or Maddas to his enemies) was about to stop trading petro dollars, which others are threatening to do.
Throughout history when the US exports “Democracy” it usually results in unpleasent regimes.
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Mrs Angry if you please and my posts are “awaiting moderation” :p
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Oops sorry, MRS Angry, they say assumption is the Mother of all f### ups!
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Apogoly accepted and I make plenty of f*** ups myself
To go back to the Nativity issue, I have 4 sons aged 22 to 13 and ALL of them participated in Nativity plays in school. Each son’s class had a mixed bag and I remember no child being withdrawn by parents on religious grounds. The only time the plays were stopped was by a do-gooding yoghurt knitter who decided it would offend the other faiths in the class ( youngest Child).No parents were included in this decision, it was hers and hers alone. To assume which most a**hats do in the name of liberalism is the biggest slap in the face of all. No respectful Muslim who follows their faith that I know would stop their child appearing in a nativity play as Mary and Jesus are both present in their faith !
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Oops Ive spelt Apology wrong ,., see how clever I am WTF
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Well Mrs Angry if that is all you can be accused of, I feel sure you will get through the pearly gates ok.
But if you see Saint Tony before I do, you can tell him he is going the wrong way, if anyone has a seat in hell reserved for them, it is he.
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so my point is proved.all we get is “british “this”british “that ,but when i point out a problem with “britishness” iam told thats a “scottish”problem …priceless,of course irish catholics WERENT discriminated against in middle england in the 70 s were they,apart from the guilford 4 and the birmingham 6 of course,imprisoned for the crime of being irish,then we hear the UNITED kingdom chestnut….sickening really
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jenni “the scots are mad” especially when the english need a war fought for them
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hahaha hello all .
Angry especially has it right about yoghurt knitters. I have never met a single muslim who is offended by christmas.
Hadrians wall had a was guarded by romans from all over the globe mesapotamia included(modern day Iraq)
imagine that, Iraqi peacekeepers keeping the english and scots apart.
Now we have disturbed the hornets nest with Iraq. We armed him, supplied him with the means and the intelligence to gas Kurds and Iranians. We tricked the Saudis into believing he had 100 000 troops ready to march into Saudi at a moments notice(Then tricked us into believing he could gas us with 15mins notice) We then heard testimony from a doctor who said iraqi soldiers tipped infants out of incubators in kuwaiti hospitals( the doctor was later discovered to be the daughter of the U.S. ambassador) So thats how it works, reduce your enemy to a subhuman level then no-one minds when you exterminate them.
I think they should have the bomb !! Itd help keep Israel in check (Who have the bomb already) in their extermination of palestinians.
Roadmap my arse… Read the numbers on the phosphorous shells they fire at civilians, look at the F-16s overhead, any guesses on who supplied them?
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“reasonable voice says:
October 26, 2009 at 9:45 am”
“Now we have disturbed the hornets nest with Iraq.” Oh yes!
Maurice & co think we should do the same in Iran, as if Iraq wasn’t such a mess already, I think Iran would be many times worse.
I can’t see a time when Iraqi’s will say “It was worth it”, I think I will be dead first.
But the white liberal left do this time & time again, they make a horrendous situation even worse, it takes a special kind of brilliance to do that, it is pure deluded evil.
People say that Nick Griffin, he says some stupid things but completely overlook that the liberal left are doing catastrophically evil things that are beyond any sane comprehension.
They make Hitler look like an amateur.
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I agree entirely. Left right or centre we are simply following the wishes of the either the U.S. or the global elite of all nations.
The sobering thought is harvests in Ethiopia have failed and im old enough to remember what happened 20 odd yrs ago. I am tired of Giving export credits to 3rd world nations for arms. We should support the building of desalination plants around the coast of Africa, finance and support programmes of irrigation and healthcare for the starving and wretched of the world. Not throwing money into the bottomless pit of “AID” or worse still, giving the fortunate few a millionaire lifestyle in exchange for the natural resources that belong to the masses.
The facts are though 97% of export credit guarantees are given for arms sales, The arms trade makes up less than 1% of our gdp.
When the world is full of decent people and the vast majority of people you and i know are essentially “good”. how are these devils in charge??
Many years ago i went to Tanzania and was horrified to learn the “we” had sold them half a dozen fighter jets and a multi million pound air defence system.
This is to a place where with my own eyes, i saw mothers boiling newspaper in “water” to feed their children so they wouldnt feel the pangs of hunger. Arms sales should be on the basis of infant mortality, thatd shock the arms companies. The BNP cant deliver the goods for most people as they are shortsighted reactionists. A better world would reduce immigration/economic migrants/asylum seekers.
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reasonable voice says:
October 26, 2009 at 10:45 am
Well we are yet to get to the bottom of all the British Aerospace corruption allegations & I am sure that will stir up some very unpleasant stuff that will splatter Saint Tony’s suit.
An African once said to me that foreign aid is a matter of poor people in rich countries giving money to rich people in poor countries.
Then there is the question of debt which looks like to me like glorified loan sharking.
So cancel the debts & the aid, then we see where we are.
Again stop the white liberal do gooding, it doesn’t work.
Right Ethiopia, apparently after the last bad famine, their population has doubled?
So they have learned nothing but the fact that the West will bail them out, maybe they should be sterilized or at least use condoms to get food?
They breed, they starve, we feed them, they breed more, then starve again, somebody needs to say enough already.
It is said (not by the BNP) that the world population is going from 6 billion to 9 billion by 2050.
That will continue to drive mass immigration & wars over resources & global warming.
Again we need to say enough, otherwise billions will die.
If peak oil theory is correct, what is the carrying capacity of this planet?
4 billion if we are lucky?
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who ARE WE to look down on these people
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wtf your point taken,while the west have enough food to feed the world 5 times over,but the bnp way is look after no 1,bit like maggies philosophy that aint it?
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WTF My father was one of 11 children (total from two marriages ,my genetic grandmother died in childbirth) of the 11 only 3 survived into adulthood.
When the chance of one of your children surviving long enough to help the family and maybe look after you in your autumn years is low, people have more children. Thats why we have the 2.4 children in the west, we know our kids if they cross the road carefully will almost certainly grow to be very old, so old in fact we have a pensions timebomb ticking away.
Going back to Africa if we invest cash in a decent irrigation system for africa with all that sunshine they can feed the world, instead of us singing “feed the world” so we can feed them! And dont get me started on euro milk lakes and butter mountains and the common agricultural policy.
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we havent enough landfill sites in this country to cope with the amount of food we THROW away,people by far more than they need,so the next loving british person in the supermarket CANT have it…yes we are a wonderful people
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WTF the fertile belts in the world are busy growing:coffee/tobbacco/tea/opium/cotton for us in the west, often for a poor return.
If weve been buying coffee for 100yrs why are the coffee growers kids dying of preventable disease? surely theyve done enough in the century to earn a basic but good standard of living.
And im gonna get onto the green lobby soon but to start with why is “Englands green and pleasant land” suddenly yellow with oil seed rape? Eu encouragement for us to grow a plant to burn in our car….
I for one will never ever burn food in my car while people starve.
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why is it third world children are STARVING to death the children of britain are dying with OBESITY….its a strange old world
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Sam
I am not sure about the figure 5 times over but we are greedy & wasteful in the West I grant you.
My take on BNP is that it is more about minding our own business, I think all the recent interference is doing more harm than good.
I can’t see they would be isolationist or not trade with other countries.
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im not sure they would have a choice
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reasonable voice says:
October 26, 2009 at 12:32 pm…………
Yes I understand that, but why hasn’t the irrigation system been built?
But the seemingly endless cycle of birth & starvation isn’t humane or the expansion of populations in countries that are very difficult places to live in, isn’t a good idea either.
The answer isn’t for them to come here or anywhere similar.
Also there is the argument that educating women gives them choices & usually reduces the birthrate as well.
Yes I would rather be spared the “Feed the world” nonsense that obviously hasn’t worked, it turned out to be a “Band Aid” didn’t it.
I want out of the EU for the reasons you mention, it doesn’t work, we need to run our own affairs.
The mountains & the waste are inexcusable & obscene.
We shouldn’t be subsidising that.
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Sam
“im not sure they would have a choice”
Who the BNP?
I don’t see why not, as even the most obnoxious regimes usually find somebody will do business with them, as you well know!
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yes ,its usually britain
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reasonable voice says:
October 26, 2009 at 9:45 am
hahaha hello all .
I have never met a single muslim who is offended by christmas.
Thats Bull **
Fenwicks in newcastle who was owned by a jewish family. Put a nativity in fenwicks window ( every christmas there is a different display) HUNDREDS of muslems protested outside and blocked the doorway to fenwicks. Fenwicks took it down!!
I have Met Little old Mr fenwick. He is a lovely man. They are a jewish family yet they still put a christmas nativity in the window.
How Nice!!
Also i took a rental car back to the company office, When i arrived two muslem men were swearing and shouting at the staff because the rental company was closed christmas day. She rang the police because they became violent. It was really frightening.
I just dont think muslems live and let live,
This is another reason i will vote BNP.
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A quote from the blogger TomTom
October 25th, 2009 12:08pm
You journalists are race-obsessives and class-oriented. You think you are morally and intellectually superior, but in fact you are mediocrities. People are wondering how people who need to hawk bundles of newsprint can be so insular and divorced from everyday reality.
The BNP does not get votes because of ‘race’. It appeals because it is an Outsider in a very cosy cartel of corporatist parties owned by financial interests. It appeals because it is grass-roots not top-down. It appeals because its candidates are not Barristers or University lecturers or Think Tank toadies, but real people with sentiment. It appeals because it pledges to deal with law and order, not simply draw up another paper and proclaim another initiative.
There is nothing you journalists can say or do to curtail support for the BNP and its like. The switch-off from BBC, Westminster etc is complete. John Birt inflated BBC presence at Westminster to please politicians and guarantee the licence fee but made the BBC simply a State Propaganda Organ.
This country is Putin’s Russia. The oligarchs control the Media and the public is disaffected. You can oppress and most probably will use State coercive power to enforce compliance, but what the BNP represents is a Peasants’ Revolt and Nick Griffin is irrelevant sui generis, he is a Tribune of the Plebs as odious to you as Keir Hardie was to your forebears in the print media.
The BBC is what Merchant Banks once were, a place for the well-connected to be well-paid but unburdened by heavy duties. The Dimbleby boys grew up in a household with 7 servants….and of course they understand the average family cannot have as many servants.
I am witnessing the collapse of institutional Britain – Church, Politics, Media, Army, Law……and you don’t see the dangers but prattle on about your own agendas
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but what the BNP represents is a Peasants’ Revolt and Nick Griffin is irrelevant sui generis::
I Agree with this, Race is not really the reason i vote BNP its a protest against labour.
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Well said!!
This is why i am harping on about the UK agricultural policy. In time we will need this land for food. Global warming will make a lot of the places we import wheat from too hot to grow it.
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My earlier comment was a reply to :
WTF says:
October 26, 2009 at 11:08 am
It is said (not by the BNP) that the world population is going from 6 billion to 9 billion by 2050.
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“Sam Pauli says:
October 26, 2009 at 1:37 pm
yes ,its usually britain” Ho Ho!
Oh well I am sure we find another “Britain” to trade with!
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“jenni says:
October 27, 2009 at 9:00 am
Well said!!
This is why i am harping on about the UK agricultural policy. In time we will need this land for food. Global warming will make a lot of the places we import wheat from too hot to grow it.”
Yes we need to provide for ourselves, trade is fine but so is independence, a balance has to be struck.
I was watching an American video (Fall of the Republic, I think) on “YouTube” & it also made the point that if you lose the capacity to make arms you probably can’t defend yourself but that probably only happens once you lose all manufacturing capabilities.
But as “Reasonable voice” points out some very dubious deals are done by ours & other arms companies selling stuff to countries who can’t afford it, don’t need it & misuse it.
We also spend a lot of money on forms of defence we will probably never use.
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Food not Bombs
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Hi jenni.
Im not here to split hairs but i did say “i” have never met a muslim who is offended by christmas, you may have and im sorry you were offended or rather they offended you. I appreciate the point about the Fenwick family and their integration into society well done to them. I know dozens of muslims who put up a tree and send christmas cards etc. I myself for many years was one of the Magji in school play (cant remember which one, was it Gaspar who brought myrhh?) i have to say, you met two abusive men who were muslims, so your prepared to vote for a party who until recent times demanded a complete racial cleansing of the uk. Ok how to you justify that to all the Hindus, Sikhs , Buddhists, and Christians who are tarred with the same brush.
If the U.K. was filled with Black Christians would that be ok? as the majority of the worlds christians are of African origin.
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Drop beats, not bombs !
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This Guitar Kills Fascists
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Arms manufacture is not linked with the the ability to defend yourself, what youll find is when it kicks off youll be getting shot at with guns you sold the enemy a few years earlier. It happened in the Falklands with Galtieri , With Iraq in Desert Storm , and in Afghanistan as we speak.
We cant grow enough food for our own consumption, theyve cottoned on to this (if you pardon the pun)and are built/building some huge hothouses in Kent. How will we grow rice ? or Bananas ? yeah we can grow sugar beet, wheat etc. But how am i going to get the varied diet ive grown accustomed to ? By trading with the nations that can grow these things.
Everyone rattles on about how our fishermen get shafted by the Europeans..
We get shafted because when fisheries policy was being formed our backward leaders werent there to fight our corner, thanks to them being insular and anti europe at the time. So thats why spanish trawlers fish off the coast of Britain and then land them at Grimsby and charge us for our “own” fish.
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we will always grow haggis
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and superskunk lol
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For me its more about protesting at labour. If I thought the BNP would get into power e.g PM i would change my vote.
I dont have a problem with other faiths
Hindus, Sikhs , Buddhists, Jews all seem to blend into the uk. (i was also attacked by three muslem men (students) while i was at work. I was working as a caterer and cooking bacon etc on a griddle. I offered to cook them something in a pan, they shouted abuse at me then threw there drinks glasses at me, my foot was badley cut. (they were drinking alcohol) So it seems to me like double standards.
I have never been treated like this in my life, I do think i may have a tainted view of muslems. I also read a book called the Politically incorrect guide to islam (and the crusades) by Robert spence. I read this following sep 11th as i wanted to understand why.
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Yeah Jenni loads of people are registering a protest vote theres no denying that. Yeah theres plenty of hypocrite muslims about(and all other religions) Cheers for the tip ill read that book. Ive had enough grief off muslims myself because of my Catholic wife and my kids Jewish names. But ive met a few good ones too. Yeah you cant use the same pan to cook pork and then use it for something else. But how the hell are you supposed to know that?? Yeah 9/11 was the defining moment as to how its gonna be for a while. Im pretty proud of English people after 7/7 everyone just carried on, the bnp would love a race war (white supremacists greet each other with RAHOWA) racial and holy war. Imagine being so screwed up you want war!!
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“Imagine being so screwed up you want war!!”
Agreed, so the Moslems who feel that way should be put in a field with the white supremacists & left to get on with it!
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“reasonable voice says:
October 27, 2009 at 10:03 am
Arms manufacture is not linked with the the ability to defend yourself, what youll find is when it kicks off youll be getting shot at with guns you sold the enemy a few years earlier. It happened in the Falklands with Galtieri , With Iraq in Desert Storm , and in Afghanistan as we speak.”
Yes I was making a mixed point & the Russians also had the same problems in Afghanistan.
With regards to the fish, yes that is a trait of our governments to throw away or sell off all our assets & interests.
Some say this is traceable back to the IMF loans & “Conditionalities” imposed upon us.
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WTF, said “Agreed, so the Moslems who feel that way should be put in a field with the white supremacists & left to get on with it!”
So, it’ll be the Muslims against the figments of liberal imagination, then? NothingBritish’s fantasies aren’t real, WTF. “White supremacists” don’t exist.
It’s a sleight of hand used by groups like NothingBritish and the establishment parties who actually make white people second class citizens by opposing all collective efforts on behalf of white people while tolerating/supporting group based efforts for other races.
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Sorry Fellist you have confused me slightly!
I think there are such things as White Suprematists but that is not generally the BNP, in all parties you will find extremists.
I believe this site tries to say the BNP are that, some of what David Duke says is similar to what Nick Griffin says & it is up to people to say I agree with that or not.
I agree that the establishment who are largely white tend to do down their own kind in favour of immigrants or other cultures.
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WTF, who are the ‘white supremacists’? I’ve never met one or read about one — even though I’ve seen countless people, generally those seeking equality for white people(s), accused of it.
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Fellist
“WTF, who are the ‘white supremacists’?”
I would say they are few in numbers, in this country it would be hardcore C18 or NF types, in the US the extreme end of the KKK.
A lot of white people fall within the BNP camp which is not as extreme as the media make out but definitely don’t see things in the PC way that our establishment do & promote.
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Oh we have white supremacists here get on stormfront theres hundreds of them .. By definition someone who would prefer that whites had more rights than non whites could they not be defined as white supremacists? Or perhaps those who were against Mixed race marriages could they not be defined in the same way? Oh dear thats two “old” Bnp polices if im not mistaken
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I would describe any supremacists (White/Black/Moslem) as someone who sees themselves as superior to others.
I believe the “old” BNP policies you (RV) refer to are just that, old policies that are not pursued anymore.
After all with the new constitution that allows you to join & make your bid for the chairmanship, with your mixed marriage, you wouldn’t be in favour of such a policy anyway.
As I said before, politicians should stay out of peoples bedrooms.
I believe that citizens have more rights than non citizens but that has to carefully interpreted.
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If somebody is born here they are a citizen & that should attract rights but also responsibilities.
If you come to this country legally, then you should be able to become a citizen but the above applies.
All the lazy white people you are concerned about should be looked at, along with illegal immigrants & criminals.
But I feel that some sections of the community such as whole estates of whites or Scots etc have been left to rot by succesive governments, is it part of an agenda to break down British society along with the mass immigration & other measures?
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so how do you feel about british citizens fighting along side the taliban, and protesting for sharia law in the uk.
Personally this boils my blood.
If you type in sharia law into google this is what i found.
“BBC NEWS | UK | Sharia law in UK is ‘unavoidable’ 7 Feb 2008 … The Archbishop of Canterbury says the adoption of some aspects of Sharia law “seems unavoidable” in the UK.”
I will leave this country (if possible) if this ever becomes law and it will eventually.
This needs to be stopped now! if its not a lot of people i have spoken to after reading the news are upset about it and will vote BNP. We may really end up with civil war in the UK. I would hate to see either side in power.
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please look at this on y tube
Stop sharia law in Britain.
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and
Islam’s war on freedom. This is really frightening. Sharia law is evil.
Just look into it.
What the hell is this gov thinking.
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Yes, no to Sharia law but it’s already here.
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only if you accept it … if your a muslim and you want a divorce you can go and use the facilty. It cannot be imposed on you muslim or non muslim.
And its similar to pre common law applied by local communities before the national legislation was in place. I thing we should stop listeneing to that w@nker anjam Cowardry . He didnt have his stupid march because they had more marchers than a taxi but less than a bus. Good riddance to bad rubbish i say
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