Gaby Hinsliff, the political editor of the Observer, has written that Nothing British’s Stolen Valour campaign can teach the left a lot about how to take on the BNP.
Nothing British ”co-ordinated this week’s letter from former army chiefs of staff attacking the BNP for hijacking the good name of the military in an attempt to boost its patriotic credentials, with a powerful “not in our name” message using veterans including the Falklands hero Simon Weston.
Griffin’s uncharacteristically hysterical reaction – suggesting they were traitors – successfully wrecked his credibility among the kind of voters he might be trying to attract.”
On the stale approaches of the left she wrote:
“The left tends to dwell on immigration policy and whether it should appease BNP supporters by talking up British jobs for British workers, or restricting access to council houses. The right is more confident that its stance on immigration is populist and is therefore less hung up on it, but has in the past seen the BNP as not really its problem (particularly when it was taking votes largely from Labour supporters).”
Gaby encapsulates the Nothing British campaign as follows:
“The launch of Nothing British was another important moment, reflecting a recognition that Griffin had widened the BNP’s appeal and was trying to steal ground – on patriotism, or law and order – held by the mainstream right that was not overtly to do with race (such as its misleading campaign on rights for squaddies).”
Tags: Nothing British, Stolen Valour
I think the liberal left are far too cosy in their own self righteousness (or “right on-ness”) to take lessons from anybody.
Dontcha know they have a planet to destroy, I mean, save.
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Since when did people like Gaby Hinsliff become the absolute moral arbitors for the rest of us? My life has been destroyed by the machinations of the liebour government but then I’m white and lower middle class so I don’t count.
Gaby and her ilk are the hysterical ones. If the BNP are so wrong then what does the establishment have to fear?
I will NOT be told what to think thanks very much.Or come to that,where to cast my vote.
Oh and by the way I think that Nothing British has probably increased the BNP’s popularity!!
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Admitting that Hinsliff is correct in saying that “the launch of Nothing British … reflect[ed] a recognition that Griffin had widened the BNP’s appeal and was trying to steal ground – on patriotism, or law and order – held by the mainstream right…” rather undermines your supposedly pure ‘anti-racist’ motive in attacking the BNP, and reveals the party political motive.
Now it is clear why your ‘anti-racism’ is so inconsistent and therefore objectively racist.
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Perhaps what the left have to learn is that dealing with problems on a pragmatic rather than an ideological basis gets things done and not just talked about and analysed to distraction.
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I think that is known as death by commitee but we can schedule a meeting to talk about it a bit further.
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Aren’t the left and far left historically based on ideology whereas the right, being mainly land owning (historically) have been more pragmatic?
Are left wing ideologies mainly conceived in intellectual class struggles? We are presently experiencing the near end game of the ideology dreamed up by the Frankfurt lot. Main aim, I believe, to destroy capitalism. Their meddling has just about destroyed everything.
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Isn’t the Nothing British’s Stolen Valour campaign using the good name of the military in an attempt to boost their own egos.
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unlike the bnp s of course
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ok but you cannot scream and shout how disgusting this is if you are doing the same thing. Or is this ok for the selected few but not anyone else. This is one of the reasons why people are turning to the BNP, if everything was fair and equal people would not be looking for alternatives at election time.
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personally ,im not the slightest bit militiary minded ,but both sides are using the soldiers to play the emotions of joe public
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Totally agree with you Sam. If all politicians put the same effort into promoting their own policies as they do attacking the opposition the public would have more respect for them and maybe they would win back some of their lost votes.
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if all people put as much into LOVING their fellow man ,as they do HATING their fellow man what a wonderful world this would be
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sam, the world is fucked beyond redemtion.
Too many people and not enough resources. Just keep the third world in their cesspit and leave me to enjoy what remains of the developed world
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developed world….glasgow wasnt on your must visit list then?
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can’t say i’ve had the pleasure…but i am sure it is better than Bombay etc..
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“Too many people and not enough resources. Just keep the third world in their cesspit and leave me to enjoy what remains of the developed world”
Selfish, but a lot of people will subscribe to that even though they won’t admit it, they put a few pence in the charity tin to salve their conscience.
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Lol by your statement its obvious youve not been to either glasgow or Mumbai then. Sorry sam its pretty bleak in places even you have to admit lol.
Developed world lol,the world is changing. have you ever been through Dubai? I assume you have as its a major stop on the route to Australia. That was a fishing village 50 yrs ago now its one of the most prosperous cities in the world. It used to be the west that had the towering skyscrapers now its “taipai 101″ the petronas towers and the Burj al Arab. America built the empire state building in 6 months. The towers fell in 2001 and they still havent built Jack shit to replace them. We need europe to help us improve our road network, our railways are shit( Check out Mumbai with its new elevated monorail its nice-i did some of the design on the stations so im blowing my own trumpet there)
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reasonable voice
i have spent a good 3 months living in mumbai over the last 2 years. Step out of Bandra or Colaba and it is an out and out shithole with at least 25 million desperate people just dying to move to the developed world. Add every other shithole between Brazil and Indonesia and you have a couple of BILLION people that would love to move to Glasgow or Adelaide.
Enough is enough already!
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What did AussieAl think of Reasonable voice’s monorail stations?
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Check them out theyre beautiful, my input was tiny but a really good project to work on you can see pictures in the hindu (Indian paper) Calcutta has just got the go ahead for a similar mass transport system. i have no doubt itll be just as nice. The indian railway is huge (It was the worlds largest employer at the time) bit of a shame to see the old steam locos we left them with get mothballed but theyve maintained them with love and hence have served them well. Big Beautiful boilers made in the black country im sure a few steam enthusiasts will bring a few back.
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Fair point aussie al, but werent there millions living in wretched conditions in London while St Pauls was reaching for the sky.
Dont worry Al, i dont remember a connection to the euro tunnel when i saw the drawings.
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Hey Al were you there when the “muslim fundamentalists” attacked?
Obviously a tragedy but my enduring image is the indian policeman laying down playing dead like we did when we played as kids… lol if he could have got an arrow and stuck it under his armpit, i swear he would have. We are hard wired t survive after all lol
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honestly cant say that i saw the monorail, but i was impressed with the 5km bridge linking the south to the north (tollway of course) which opened in June. As to the train system, i would have to say it runs on time and for a couple of pence per journey.
When it rains the sewers overflow, buildings collapse and the multitudes living on the pavements get very, very wet. Whilst i sympathise with all of this, it does not alter the fact that the developed world cannot accomodate anymore mass migration, and at least the BNP has the guts to stand up to the PC brigade and state thet enough is enough!
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We could do with some of their engineers and their I.T guys are phenomenal(my pc skills are limited lets say) i think if we dont have them and we cant train em in time, bring em over. Yeah thats India for you squallor and deprivation galore. Think yourself lucky, i got on a train to find a guy taking his dead brothers corpse to be cremated at Varasani(its a holier site) 38c and im sat in the same carriage as a cadaver… hahahah i heard he had to pay full fare for it too
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When i was there last october/november i spent a good deal of time upstairs at Leopolds bar, which was targeted purely because of foreign tourists. When i was back in july i learnt 12 people were killed and many more wounded. Luckily i left 5 days before the attacks. But they were not the first attacks and will not be the last. The Hindu majority do themselves no favours in their discrimination against moslems, which has been going on for donkeys years. But on the flip side, moslem extremists are the same the world over and have scant regard for peoples lives and are basically a malignant cancer growing within western societies.
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Fuck islamic extremism, i think we agree on that one wholeheartedly. Yeah they pick out the westerners every time. My father in law is in the gas/oil business he wisely travels on an Irish passport and has a little certificate from the mosque in hyde park saying he’s a convert lol. He’s nothing of the sort but whatever it takes to live eh.
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Oh yeah peak oil is a myth according to him … they will always find more all over but its the capacity to refine it thats becoming a problem. He went to alaka where they built a plant taking the oil out of oily sand, directional drilling and stuff will keep us in the black stuff for at least 3 generations he reckons.
(dont argue with the father in law =rule 1)
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if we wean ourselves off oil, then the arab countries will no doubt return to desert nomads.
The quicker the world utilises LNG the quicker australia will become the new saudi arabia. But we have to keep the Chinese at arms length.
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Aussie Al said: “if we wean ourselves off oil, then the arab countries will no doubt return to desert nomads.”
I think the Arabs are pretty sanguine about that. I heard an interview with a Saudi Prince in which he said something like “200 years ago we rode these lands on camels, today in Rolls Royces, and 200 years hence on camels.” Seemed fine with that, as I think he ought to be. The difference between Arabs and us, is that during these ‘good times’ our leaders have tried hard to give our country away.
In some of the arab states more than 70% of residents are foreigners hired to work high-end jobs in the oil and financial industries or low-end jobs cleaning loos and such; but none of them, NONE, are given citizenship. They work their 12 month contracts and then go home. Whatever happens to the economy, Arabia stays Arab. Again, as it should be.
I think about that before I mock the Arabs for their lack of creativity.
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aussie when buck house and other royal palaces were being built,and british troops were pillaging all over the world,do you think the native british were living a life of decadance?
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Your right about Saudi Arabia Fellist. You cant join the party just contract after contract. They have some policies youd probably agree with. Every project employs a certain amount of Saudis on it and HAS to. Its pretty shit when you end up answering to some bumbling fool who has no skills/experience/qualifications but is still your superior. I remember insisting that some pipework was coated and lagged to prevent corrosion and the guy said it dosent rain here.. So i picked up a pebble and threw it into the the sea and explained it didnt have to with the ocean 10m away.??!! but unemployment is rife (as high as 50%) amongst young saudis. The Al-Saud family run the show with an iron fist(supplied by uncle sam) lots of disenchanted youths love bin laden cause some expat is doing a job they could have if they were related to the right family. Hedonism Nepeotism fundamentalism its a nation of isms. The hardline islam is promoted by hard drinking and partying princes surrounded by prostitutes from all over the world. yet if i have a beer i can expect to be flogged for my deviancy. Go figure?!!?
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of course not sam, but as i have stated to you at an earlier occasion, the sooner Britain gets rid of the aristocracy, the quicker you will become a meritocracy ( and i do not mean becoming a republic, just get rid of the leeches)
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that would have to include the entire monarchy and ruling classes
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i dont know sam; if you get rid of the monarchy you have to replace it with something else. And that would be self serving politicians on an ego trip.
i have no problem with the saxe coburgs/windsors/stuarts/tudors…better than bush/clinton/bush/clinton etc…
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no way i am an anti monarchist..Peoples Republic of Scotland got a nice ring about it
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isnt France a Republic ,and Ireland,they seem to do alright
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… then i’m going to draw and quarter you and send you to china, iran, sudan and venezuala
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what do they put in that xxxx over there,
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no send me to belfast ,dublin ,cork and donegal
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But due to the present state of the Royal Mail you’d be spending Christmas in a warehouse somewhere down south!
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Aussie al just wants to draw you cause he’s a member of Rolfs cartoon club
“Yikkun Joyn Dudday”
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Al bush clinton is way better than Ghandi/Ghandi/Ghandi lol
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wtf theres alwayd dhl….
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thought you were a jacobite Sam?
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iam,but theres too many”settlers”in the highlands now.they ve all got cockney accents!
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“Sam Pauli says:
October 30, 2009 at 8:28 am
iam,but theres too many”settlers”in the highlands now.they ve all got cockney accents!”
You want to deport them soutwards, I know a party that might help you with that.
Mind you they might qualify as bona fide asylum seekers!
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Jacobite = nationalist.Surely?
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I thought he was a republican. Perhaps he is just confused…
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iam a republican..the jacobites was centuries ago..times have changed
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“iam a republican..the jacobites was centuries ago..times have changed”
Hmm…
“AussieAl says:
October 30, 2009 at 7:17 am
thought you were a jacobite Sam?”
“Sam Pauli says:
October 30, 2009 at 8:28 am
iam…”
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you have the memory of an autistic child,well done ,take a lollipop on your way out
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Well done Sam. As usual you revert to talking childish nonsense. Obviously you are still confused.
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i have no confusion over my hatred of the bnp
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Hatred can cause confusion. If one has a disagreement with a person, movement or belief, it is better to try to approach it logically. So far you have not.
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maybe you ll find that the bnp arent all that approachable,but someone as blinded by bigotry as you WILL find that hard to see.
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and we all know what happened when mr chamberlain approached the other nazi lot with logical tactics,although the bnp lot have forgotten about that little dis-agreement
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Which of my posts show bigotry? This is the usual empty argument knee-jerk (or just jerk) response. To put people into wee boxes with labels.
Hatred blinds.
Chamberlain was weak and did not show logic. The logical thing would have been to re-arm as quickly as possible.
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No answer. Good. Perhaps we can now keep to sensible argument.
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