Lee Barnes, BNP Legal Director
The BNP’s Legal Director, Lee Barnes, has responded to our letter calling on him to correct the factually inaccurate blog postings he has made on his blog 21st Century British Nationalism.
Mr Barnes has continued to repeat the lie that the former Castaway contestant, Alister Cooling, who has been convicted for downloading indecent images of children, worked for Nothing British and ConservativeHome. This is not true. We ask both the BNP and Mr Barnes to correct this.
Cooling has never worked for Nothing British, a not-for-profit company registered at Companies House. He has never contributed articles, has never had a contract of employment or any formal role, and no one here has ever met him, talked with him or corresponded with him.
In 2007 Cooling once contributed an unpaid article to the now defunct “Conservative Future Diary” which was once part of ConservativeHome. Cooling was not, as Mr Barnes and the BNP state, an employee of ConservativeHome nor has he ever had any contractual or formal relationship with ConservativeHome.
ConservativeHome does not “run” Nothing British. The two organisations are quite separate corporate structures.
We continue to ask both Mr Barnes and the BNP to correct their baseless comments made about ConservativeHome and Nothing British.
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A vote for the conservatives is a vote for paedophillia
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I’m certainly NOT defending what Cooling did, but for the party who complains about constantly being labelled as Nazis to then label all Tories as paedophiles seems a tad hypocritical. Or is that just me who thinks that?
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Yawn ZZZzzzzzzzz……..
Here we go again with the tiresome ‘nazi’ nonsense!
Nazis only exist in the minds of people like you edmund, perverts like Cooling actually exist!
And they’re mainly to be found in the tory party!
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Sorry, you seemed to misunderstand my Nazi statement, I actually DON’T think the BNP are, my point was to get annoyed at being stereotyped, and then stereotype someone else is hypocritical. I’m certainly not saying there aren’t perverts in this world, I’m nowhere near that naive, but to my knowledge there is no proof that they’re mainly found in the Tory party. I always have to laugh slightly when BNP people attack me when I’m actually defending them to a point, I actually argue with people who call the BNP Nazis as much as with the BNP
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Fair point Edmund, I also wouldn’t make the sweeping statement that all Tories are paedophiles, just as I don’t see myself as a Nazi or Fascist.
I guess there is always an element of truth in stereotyping but it is a dangerous & lazy trap to fall into.
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Yes Edmund you are correct, but let me interject some facts to the debate, the Conservative party have the worst record for sexual ‘incidents’ shall we say, this is a verifiable fact.
John Major was banging on about ‘back to basics’ and old-fashioned family values whilst one of his MP’s(stephen milligan) was wanking himself to death in womens underwear – dont tell me thats normal behaviour!
They are a party of perverts because nobody has tried to rectify(pardon the pun) the situation or discipline them! When something like this happens they just brush it under the carpet and it’s business as usual, all reminiscent of the catholic church if you ask me…
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NothingBritish’s stock in trade has been lies, half truths, innuendo and the tenuous linking of the BNP to many issues beyond it’s reach.
How quickly they act when an accusation is levelled at them.
What a pity this site does nothing to address the growing cultural imbalances over there in the Caliphate of Britain. The Torys will do bugger all to stop mass migration.
Vote BNP and stop the rot in the UK
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Thanks for spending so much time posting comments Edmund, it appears the Israel Lobby has dragged all the Zionist cockroaches in the Tories, and the agents of Zionism like yourself, out into the open.
So then James Bethell are you gonna stand down and allow some non-white, non-upper class tory toff, homosexual, lesbian, dark skinned, foreign religion worshipper stand as a candidate in the election so as to ‘increase diversity’ in Parliament or are you going to continue being a hypocrite ?
Stand Down Bethell – we want the Tories to dump all you white, straight, middle aged, upper class, fops and popinjays and get some ethnics, lesbians and homosexuals as MP’s instead.
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I agree with you WTF, stereotyping is a sign, in my opinion, of being unable to come up with a better argument. There should be better ways of debating with someone than simply going “All (insert group here) are (insert stereotype here)”
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The tories take the number 1 spot when it comes to child porn/abuse – thats an undeniable fact!
The tories have done nothing, absolutely NOTHING to purge their party of these sick twisted individuals, Cameron should be publicly condemning this foul pervert, but instead they prefer to brush it under the carpet…
Their silence speaks volumes!
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Davey, do you have actual PROOF of what you’re saying? Plus even if that is true, its still a jump to say ALL Tories are. Plus Cameron is hardly defending what the guy did is he?
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PS. I see your silly little petition has gained one extra signature, none other than alister ‘nonce’ cooling, E-mail address: paedo@pervert.net…
That just goes to show how irrelevant and misleading your petition really is!
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Yes Edmund, go to the ‘liars, buggers and thieves’ blog, every one of them has been committed in a court of law, so I think thats proof enough is it not?
Or are the courts wrong as well?
As for Cameron, from what I gather he hasn’t even expelled cooling let alone denounced him – and yes he should publicly disown vermin like him!
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No, its proof there are SOME criminals in the Conservative party, just as I’m sure there are some members of the BNP with some slightly questionable moments in their past. That still doesn’t prove they’re ALL guilty. I will agree about disowning Cooling though.
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There are bad apples in every barrel Edmund, Its just the tories barrel has more than everyone elses put together!
Their silence on the subject proves my point, they are the political equivalent of the catholic church!
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I’m not defending any Tory with a criminal record, I do always have to smile slightly at the BNP defending any members with a criminal record. You’re completely right about that they should come out to condemn it, it still doesn’t prove they’re ALL guilty though.
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If Nick Griffin could put his neck on the line and publicly denounce the hardcore neo-Nazi’s in his party, violent thugs who would inflict serious physical damage to his person, why can’t Cameron PUBLICLY disown the snivelling cowardly disgusting perverts within his own party?!
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I also have to pull you on something there Edmund… When did ‘criminal record’ enter the conversation?
Criminal record can apply to petty insignificant crimes, we’re talking serious heinous offences here where the tories are concerned!
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I’m not defending what SOME Tories have done, I apologise if that was the impression I gave. But just as I wouldn’t accuse all BNP members of being violent or racist based on the actions of some rather unpleasant members of it, you can’t claim EVERY Tory is a criminal. And having convictions for anything shouldn’t be a competition of who’s been done for the worst crime, its the kind of argument I’d expect in a playground
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Edmund you seem to be a bit of a celebrity on the ‘anti-fash’ scene, I’ve just read your report on ‘online fascism’, where you try to link a BNP youtube user with neo-Nazi’ism because of who’s on their friends list!
How utterly hypocritical of you to come on here and quote:
“All (insert group here) are (insert stereotype here)”
When you seem to spend your spare time sifting through youtube channels and blogs looking for the BNP’s ‘bad apples’ in order to make sweeping generalizations about the entire party!
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Sorry, when have I said that? I have no memory of having ever stated that, in fact I’m struggling to remember having ever written a report on online facism. Feel free to correct me though if you can show me where I said this. And I actually quite often DEFEND the BNP against other people trying to stereotype them, in spite of the fact I disagree with a lot of BNP policies.
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Maybe I’m talking about the wrong Edmund, if I am accept my sincere apologies, the Edmund I refer to writes for the ‘centre for social cohesion’ that is linked to this site.
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Uh…well last time I checked I don’t write for the “centre for social cohesion”, if I do I’m doing it without conciously realising. I accept your apology though. The irony is that quite often in attempting to defend the BNP when I feel people are unfairly attacking them I wind up with both pro AND anti-BNP people having a go at me
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LOL! Shot from both sides Edmund eh?!
Out of curiosity, what part of BNP policy do you disagree with?
Or has the MSM formed your opinion of the BNP fir you?
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The two things I DO agree with the BNP about (mainly because they seem like common sense to me) is a) allowing people to celebrate St George’s Day and b) England deserves its own parliament, the current system is ridiculous. The two things I disagree with most, although I’m happy to apologise if I’ve misunderstood something, are: the death penalty, because it doesn’t exactly stop crime in the US, plus if the executed criminal turns out to be innocent I doubt “I’m sorry for the mistake” would wash with the person’s family really. The other is, having yet to see ANY proof that teaching kids about gay people makes them more likely to be gay, I agree that sex education with young children is more than a little OTT, but this country has a problem with homophobia, whether it likes to admit it or not, and trying to stop teenagers from being taught about it is unlikely to solve the problem.
My apologies for this being a rather hurried explanation, if anything doesn’t make sense I’ll try and explain better when I come back from the meeting I need to go to now.
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Ian McKellar, David Charles, Peter O’Brian, Stephen Mullins, Ken Bartram, Peter O’Brien and Robert Dockerill are all tories that have been convivted of being pedos.
http://tiny.cc/25FY0
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I would like to offer something of an outsiders view to this particular conversation.
Now I will openly say that I would NOT vote for the BNP any day, and I have specific reasons for that those being that I completly disagree with the BNP’s Policies based on the fact that I have actually read and researched them and cannot find any supporting evidence that will show they can work.
I.E. The BNP Economic policy which is basically turning the UK into a protectionist state, which in my opinion WILL NOT work on any level.
Now I have joined a few facebook groups and expressed my thought out logical opinions on why these policies won’t work.
And the instant reaction I get from BNP Supporters is Leftie, UAF Scum, Non-British etc etc etc the standard drival.
When I try to explain that I disagree on policy grounds and that I 100% do not support the UAF or it’s way of going about things, I still get shouted down as Scum.
If the BNP seriously want to gain any power in this country it’s members and supporters seriously need to learn how to engage in debate and learn to understand politics in terms of policy and being able to defend that policy.
Just tellling people they are no longer British because they don’t agree with the BNP Policies shows a simple lack of respect for the voting public of our country.
Even when I emailed the BNP office for bigger explanations of their Policies they didn;t even bother responding.
How can we take a political party seriously who’s only argument is to call people Scum, Leftie, Commie because they don’t agree with their policies or don’t (or maybe can’t) engage that person in real debate?
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[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Noxi, NothingBritish. NothingBritish said: New post: Lee Barnes respond to Nothing British (http://cli.gs/GzvXb) http://cli.gs/GzvXb [...]
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Kenny, I wasn’t saying there WEREN’T paedophiles in the Tories, I was saying that it was ridiculous to argue ALL were.
Annon, I’ve been called Anti-British by one BNP supporter for not agreeing with them. Not on here unfortunately.
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Another reason I feel the BNP will not be elected at the next election is their own fault, the constant pushing of immigration, immigration, immigration will turn people off the party.
100’s of thounsands of people in this country don’t see immigration as the main issue facing the country and those people are also just being called Scum, Leftie, Commie etc etc.
Reading the BNP policies their are hardly any that in some way don’t mention immigration and basically try to say that immigration is the route of all the countries problems, because frankly immigration is NOT the route of all the countries problems.
But the BNP’s constant calling that getting rid of the immigrants will solve everything is just more proof that they have little understanding of how a country actually works in reality.
The country has far bigger problems to solve, rising unemployment, an economy that needs some serious work, almost 1 Trillion £s of debt to repay and just concentrating on immigration isn;t going to get all this fixed, in fact there is plenty of evidence to support that completely stopping immigration will actually do further economic damage to the country, because we don;t have the people in this country that can do the jobs of the immigrants (and i’m not just talking about the minimum wage jobs), we don;t have enough trained doctors, nurses etc so we need to bring in economic migrants to prop those services up, so stopping all immigration will casue just another set of problems in the country.
The BNP to me don’t seem to have a real handle on how a country functions in this modern age. Things like the death penalty (which has already been mentioned) has been proven NOT to work, repealing Civil Partnerships something the gay community worked hard to get (over many many years) and the BNP will simply take away the rights of a whole section of society just because the leadership of the BNP don’t like gay people in Nick Griffins words (their ok as long as they do it in the privacy of their own home) or something to that effect.
You can’t just sweep away someones rights because you don’t like a particular group of people.
Society has changed (and for the better) but in my personal opinion the BNP seems to be stuck in the past and hasn’t progressed past the 40 and 50’s.
If the BNP want to make any inroads in British politics they have to start condsidering the views of the wider public, the wider public who don’t get easily excited, the wider public who actually read, research and understand policy, the BNP need to consider those voters.
Because if they don’t they will continue to be a fringe party.
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here is another example of why the wider voting public cannot take the BNP Seriously
” Lee John Barnes says:
November 26, 2009 at 11:51 am
Thanks for spending so much time posting comments Edmund, it appears the Israel Lobby has dragged all the Zionist cockroaches in the Tories, and the agents of Zionism like yourself, out into the open.”
Come on is that the kind of logical thought out sensible answer that we expect from our political parties?
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I should point out, before I get criticized, that I’m not saying that that is the opinion of ALL BNP members
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Wow…thank you for pointing that out Annon, I had managed to miss that particular posting. I can say with absolute certainty that my opinion of the BNP has nothing to do with the Tories. As amazing as it may sound I formed the opinion of my own free will.
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In all honesty I am formely a Labour supporter, but at this moment in time I am a floating voter hence why I actually started looking at the BNP’s policies in the first place.
I did read them and then got involved with several groups to try and learn more, as I also have with the Tories and LibDems to try and get more information on policy that can justify that party getting my vote.
And it’s only during this process that I have completely dismissed the BNP based on the responses I got from their supporters when I put forward my thoughts and arguments.
I do the same on Tory and LibDems boards etc and I get logical thought out responses, deeper sensible explanations and actual answers to questions.
But the response of people like Lee Barnes i.e. Zionism etc etc are frankly ridiculous and do not give any resonable answers to the serious questions that voters have.
And frankly Nick Griffin is no better, his constant procrastinations of conspriracy of the Lib/Lab/Con etc trying to create the World Government etc ….. utter tosh, he rarely tries to actually explain policy in any detail.
But I must say the biggest turn off for the majority of people I have spoken to about politics (and that’s a lot) they all say that they simply ignor the BNP because they constantly over do it with the immigration train, people are bored of hearing it’s all the immigrants fault, and if we deal with all the immigrants the country will be wonderful again and all our problems will be solved.
Frankly the vast majority of the British voting public know this and won’t vote BNP because they have nothing of any real substance to offer other than Immigration will fix it all.
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Annon doesn’t believe in NWO conspiracy theories & I used to find them wacky but now I am trying to work out which one of them is true!
The more I look into politics & what goes on here & in other countries, the more stranger things get.
There was some famous quote about once you have eliminated the obvious, what remains, no matter how unbelievable is the truth.
Maybe the Tories & LibDem supporters do seem to talk sense but I stood back & looked at the bigger picture & saw something else.
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@ Anon who says: “If the BNP seriously want to gain any power in this country it’s members and supporters seriously need to learn how to engage in debate”
If only they were given the chance! Every time they try to debate, the MSM and far-left go into overdrive on what is basically a hate campaign of bullying, vilification and intimidation. The ‘no platform’ policy being a prime example of their anti-democratic credentials…
Sorry Anon, but the BNP will gain power via the back door, through the disaffected British people who the mainstream parties treat with such disdain, through people who don’t currently vote for any party, for people who are fed up to the back teeth of whats happening to this country and their lives…
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The other point is that I think the new Conservative government will have no honeymoon period whatsoever & the knives will be out from the get go in June 2010.
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I agree with Davey, currently most parties have the wrong strategy for dealing with the BNP. Bonnie Greer shamed the main parties on Question Time by using intelligent debate against Nick Griffin.
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Also ‘anon’ says protectionist policies wouldn’t work for Britain…
How does he know?
It’s not as if labour/tory socialist capitalism hasn’t made a pigs-ear of things is it?!
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The standard voter support for the BNP is in the region of 3-5%, in the three recent by elections they polled less than 5%, in a recent council election they polled less than 5%.
The BNP shows no real signs of getting above that 5% mark. And as for the NWO stuff, sorry but I have watched many of the videos, read lots of the material and frankly its seriously laughable.
For instance one BNP Member suggestion I read a book by David Icke, (the man that made rediculous claims a few years back) and is seriously wound up in many conspracy theories, I would much rather deal with the future and what policies the BNP have to offer that can make a serious difference to this country.
I offer this challenge to BNP Supporters here to explain why the BNP Economic Policy will fix this country and how that policy will pay back the £1 Trillion debt?
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@ Edmund…
Bonnie Greer shamed herself by announcing that she wanted to slap Nick Griffin and launching a personal attack on the man via the Daily Mail. She thought it was funny that Griffin was shaking with nerves during his ordeal, I’d like to see how she would cope being in a similar situation!
In fact I’d love to see that jumped-up yank put in a similar situation!
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At least unlike the rest of the panel she didn’t resort to just insulting Nick Griffin, she must have done something right Davey because she was the only member of the panel your leader had any respect for in the end.
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And I offer a further challenge:
Could a BNP Supporter/Member explain how the BNP intend to solve our currently 2.64 million unemployment issue?
And please don’t just use if we get rid of the immigrants we’ll solve it that way, because there are other issues to take into account when answering the question, I won’t say what they are as I would like to see that you actually have an complete understanding of what they are.
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@ anon…
Voter turnout is usually about 30% of those REGISTERED to vote.
40% of 18-24 year olds are not even registered to vote…
Do the maths!
The mainstream parties will never connect with these people thats why they’re happy to ignore them.
That can and will change as things get worse in this country!
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Anon…
By stopping foreign aid we could pay the unemployed a decent wage to do vital work repairing the infrastructure of this country!
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NWO conspiracies…that’s up there with the Illuminati, one of those theories that will always have its supporters no matter the evidence (or lack thereof).
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@Davey
Voter turnout will probably be around the same next time around, those people are not suddenly going to vote, it’s never happened in any recent history and frankly it’s not likely to happen now.
In terms of 18-24 year olds i have a younger sister (19) who will be able to vote in a GE for the first time next year, and she asked me to visit her uni earlier this year because she knows I have more than a passing interest in the subject and wanted me to talk to her and a group of her friends about politics because they wanted to have a wider understanding.
I showed them the easiest way to decide on which party to vote for, to simply pick maybe 3 areas that you feel are important to your live, and items that will be important to your life for the next five years (the term of a parliment), and then research all the parties policies and decide on which party will give you the best results for what you feel is important to you.
They have since started their own student group showing their fellow students how to decide and get involved in politics.
So there is a bigger movement in younger getting involved, but they too are learning to analyse policy and vote on the basis of what will work for them and their families.
And i can say that out of that group non are willing to vote BNP because they have read the policies and they have learned what those polices actually mean to them and their wider families.
So if the BNP are holding onto some hope that suddenly an extra 10 million people are going to come out and vote I would seriously re-consider that view I just don;t see it happening.
It didn’t happen in 97 and it’s not likely to happen now. So the BNP have got to rely in those people (people like me) that have always voted and use their vote to their best advantage. They have got to work with people more and show them that the BNP can be of use to the country.
They haven’t proven that to me, but i’m just one voter.
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“By stopping foreign aid we could pay the unemployed a decent wage to do vital work repairing the infrastructure of this country!”
More detail here please, that’s just a statement anyone can make. What infrastructure will be repaired, how much will it cost ….
And most importantly will the people that are currently unemployed have the skills we need to actually accomplish this?
If not who will provide the training?, how much will that training cost? how long will it take to train the people?
What do we do in the meantime whilst we are waiting for those people to be trained?
See one statement throws up so many unanswered questions.
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And these are questions I have in the past emailed directly to the BNP but never received any response to my questions.
The BNP Leadership and Members claim they are not given the opportunity to explain policy by the mainstream press (actually agree they don’t) so I emailed my questions and didn’t receive a response.
I gave the opportunity to answer real questions from a real voter, and they didn’t take me up on that.
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“And most importantly will the people that are currently unemployed have the skills we need to actually accomplish this?”
No, but if you put people into proper work when they leave school and stop pilfering other countries skilled people to make up the shortfall perhaps we wouldnt have the ‘jeremy kyle’ generation of single mother, drugged-up, alcoholic layabouts we have now eh?!
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sex case conservatories. lower than bacteria off a pub toilet floor.. SCUM.
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NONCES
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Ok here is another example of why people don’t trust the BNP.
Today they published this on their website:
“Some 590,000 immigrants — mostly from the Third World — arrived legally in Britain last year, while 427,000 British people emigrated, according to new figures released by the Office for National Statistics (ONS). This double-barrelled effect means that the indigenous British population is effectively “losing” a million places every year to the immigration invasion which is swamping this country.
The number of British people leaving — almost all citing “better prospects” elsewhere — has risen dramatically, up from 341,000 in 2007.
The slight drop in the total number of immigrants entering Britain last year (from 596,000 in 2006) is directly attributable to a slowdown in eastern European migration. The Third World influx continues as quickly as ever.”
Now I have downloaded the latest ONS report as referenced by the BNP and it says this:
“Emigration from the UK reached a record high in 2008, according to figures released today by the Office for National Statistics (ONS). An estimated 427,000 people emigrated from the UK in 2008, up from 341,000 in 2007. This rise was due to an increase in non-British citizens leaving, up from 169,000 in 2007 to 255,000 in 2008.
Emigration of citizens of the A8 Accession countries (those countries of central and eastern Europe that joined the European Union in 2004) more than doubled from 25,000 to 69,000 between 2007 and 2008.
An estimated 590,000 people arrived to live in the UK in 2008. This compares with 574,000 in 2007 and is a continuation of the level of immigration seen since 2004.
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Net migration to the UK, the difference between immigration and emigration, was 163,000 in 2008.”
Now I will let you spot the major differences here, but I will quickly point one out for you.
The BNP Claims:
“The number of British people leaving — almost all citing “better prospects” elsewhere — has risen dramatically, up from 341,000 in 2007.”
The ONS Says:
“An estimated 427,000 people emigrated from the UK in 2008, up from 341,000 in 2007. This rise was due to an increase in non-British citizens leaving, up from 169,000 in 2007 to 255,000 in 2008.”
Can you see the big difference between what the BNP has put out and what the actual ONS report says.
This is one reason why people don’t trust the BNP, they have to try and distort the figures to make their immigration argument fly with the public.
And as you can see your average voter can get the data and see for themselves the BNP have tried to distort it.
And Pete, thanks for the clever educated and informed comment you place there.
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Try writing or e mailing any politician in this country and see how far you get.Write to Gordon Brown and ask him why he has brought us all to bankruptcy and destruction and see what answer you get.
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@MLJ
In the recent by-election in Glasgow North East, I emailed Tories, Lab, LibDems and BNP with a set of questions.
All parties responded withing 5 days apart from the BNP who still haven’t answered.
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Here is the typical response from “Normal Voters” when the BNP gets mentioned:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9wWejdsa74
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Annon
It’s a shame the BNP didn’t answer your questions, I suppose you can read the policies on their website & take or leave what they say about things.
We will only know what the truth of anything is, if they get into a position to do something about enacting a policy.
You seem happy with what the mainstream politicians say & are happy to accept that at face value, so vote for them!
Remember it was they that got us to this present position & you seem happy with the way society is going, so vote for them, the BNP is not for you.
I on the other hand want the present corrupt self serving system challenged & so do a lot of people, we will see what happens in the GE & then some of us will be right & some of us will be wrong, we don’t know yet who that will be.
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@WTF, that’s the first response from a BNP supporter I have had that wasn’t filled with the standard retoric, so I must say thank you for that.
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To be honest Annon, I am a semi-detached member of the BNP who doesn’t parrot the party line, I do think for myself but accept a lot of people aren’t going to see things my way but that’s life as Esther used to say!
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If more pepople from the BNP had the same attititude as you then maybe just maybe they would have half a chance of gaining more support.
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Hi ANNON
If you don’t mind,can I ask how old you are and have you any children.
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I think, Annon, that you need to decide what you want for the country and for yourself. I feel that I am being forced to take an extreme position by the extreme behaviour (which I feel is not in my interests) of the Government.
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I am in my 40’s and yes I do have children @RJM, and I know that electing the BNP will ruin my childrens future.
And @MLJ can I then suggest you take a look at the other parties, I’m sure you’ll find things that will be of more benefit to you with the other parties as well.
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And I would like to point out that my kids don’t go to private schools, they go to a school that contains people of all cultures and faiths etc and they mix very well with those other kids and they bring those kids home/invite them to parties etc.
And most importantly of all they are taught History (British History) and they are not forced to learn other religions, they can however do so if they decide to but it’s their choice.
My kids are 12 and 15 and we talk to them about Politics etc, my 15 year old has gone off and researched under his own steam and researched parties and has already made a decission at 15 who he would like to vote for next year should he be able to based on policy and things he feels will benefit him for the next five years (he hasn’t chosen the same party as I am leaning towards) but it isn’t for me to tell him it’s for him to decide, and his choice is very well presented to me based on what he wants from life.
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Annon, half a million people per year is unsustainable, especially when one considers the negative economic prospects faced by the Caliphate of Britain.
As for the aforementioned report, well, irrespective of the final numbers, the fact remains that net migration from the third world to Britain creates an economic and social burden. Not to mention that the erosion of British culture was , and still is , implemented without the accesion of the British public. On current trends of birth rates for non-British residents compared to white British citizens, coupled with an increase in third world migrants, White Britons will be in the minority by 2050. This is also true of other western european countries and here in Oz also. Now that is worth getting upset about!
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Annon
I have to say I fear for my future under the Conservatives as I feel they will go straight down the path that Labour have done.
I don’t think we should be in the EU, it is not in our long term interests, neither is continuing mass immigration, I regard a lot of the climate change theory as tax extortion & wasteful foreign aid under a different name.
As I said before the Conservatives could wipe out the BNP virtually in an instance & get a landslide victory but they won’t do it, as they have sold their souls & choice to a hidden agenda.
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Sorry Aussie but there is absolutley no evidence to support your comment that white-Britons will be the minority by 2050, the % of white people in Briton is currently in the region of 93.2% somehow I really can’t see that the population is going to swing the other way with that drastically in 40 years. If you think you have real evidence for that I’d love to see it.
As for the report I quoted that was simply their to show that the BNP clearly tried to manipulate the figures they quoted to suit their audiance, so much for being the “Honest Piliticians” !!! you can’t have a party that is trying to be the “Say it like it is honest piliticians” and then blur the truth to suit the audiance, that’s not what “Say it like it is means”.
In terms of which party gets elected next time round, I see no real difference anyway due to the state the country is currently in any party will have to make cuts to public services and raise taxes in some way, it’s just the way its going to have to be and that doesn’t matter if it’s Labour or Tory in my opinion.
The next five years will be a case of suck it up and get on with it. But if by some major miracle the BNP get elected (not going to happen on any level of miracle) but using their model which is basically Protectionism follwed by it’s all the immigrants fault will cause far more damage to this country than any Conservative or Labour Government could ever do.
The BNP’s views are seriously warped and thank god that 95% of the British population can clearly see that, the BNP claim this massive surge in their support but all recent by-election results since the EU elections (and remember less that 950,000 people out just over 15 million people voted for them in the EU) the BNP have polled under 5% of the vote so in real terms they have made no real gains in support around the country.
They are still a fringe party, one that cannot be ignored yes but a fringe party all the same. And as long as they have people like Lee Barnes and even Griffin himself in the party they will remain a fringe party, people cannot take the rantings of people like Lee Barnes seriously and nor for that fact the rantings of Nick Griffin lets face it super politician he certainly isn’t.
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Annon, i will seek out those demographic projections, as i do not have them on hand.
However, off the top of my head, if , as you say, the non British proportion of the population is currently around 7%, that proportion has grown from 0% in 1950, and has really shot up within the last 30 years. When you consider that white British women are averaging less than 2 babies each, while many immigrant women (especially moslems) are averaging around 5 babies each, the incremental growth rate is more rapid in the non white proportion of the population.
This is coupled with a far greater rate of immigration than was experienced even a decade ago. And of the number of British people emigrating (we want more here), by far , the numbers are white British, not Black or moslems.
These brief factors alone point, on current trends,( which seem to be accelerating), to a proportion of non white British jumping from 7% to 50% within a 40 to 50 year time frame.
Certainly within your childrens lifetime.
Despite the utopian views of left wing dickheads, this is a reality, and this is why the BNP is gaining increasing support.
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“Despite the utopian views of left wing dickheads, this is a reality, and this is why the BNP is gaining increasing support.”
Well that statement alone stops me talking you seriously, if you can’t have debate without resorting to statements like that it isn’t worth debating.
And as for Projections the lates ONS report estimates the UK Population at a little over 71million by 2033, although that figure is based on data from 2007 and doesn’t yet take into account the new points based system and the numbers of Non-British leaving to return to their own countries.
So again i would dispute any real evidence of the claim.
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I completely concur with Aussie!
We are being bred into slow genocide, by third world migrants, who couldn’t give a stuff for this country. I have viewed the Bayeaux tapestry, and i could not find one black, paki or other amongst it’s depictions. These recent arrivals are coming at a faster rate than ever before, and I thank God that i will not be around to view the effective destruction of our nation, its culture and identity. This will be much more conclusive than the Norman Invasion; and we have not fired a shot in our defence!
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Annon
ONS report 2008 most popular baby names in the UK :-
# 16 Mohammed
must be a lot of moslem babies being born for this to be at No 16, especially when allegedly Moslems only make up a few percent of the British population.
Or are the total number of Non-White British actually more than 7% by now; maybe the British Government is again, LYING to the people.
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Funny when you visit the ONS website, and look up population statistics regarding the numbers whose birthplace is outside of Britain…
… the page cannot be displayed. Makes one wonder why!
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And again Al, it’s Muslim not Moslems at least attempt to show some basic repect to a fellow human.
You picked on a name their from the ONS report is that because you couldn’t find any figures in the report to support you earlier claims? I suspect it is.
Now I have to say (I may have already done so) that I actually do agree thet we need to do something about immigration, but we don’t need to take it to the extreme of the BNP, that’s why they are not taken seriously by the majority of the country, untill they start to get some serious workable real world policy based on actually producing workable answers to the countries issues they will continue to not be taken seriously.
and that ONS report reminds me of anither fabrication the BNP claimed on their website, last week they claimed that the ONS had said that the UK Population would be over 74 million by 2029, which as I am sure you’ll agree that isn’t what the ONS report says, so again another reason not to trust the BNP when they are more than happy to try and fudge the figures to continue the scaremongering, so much for the “Honest say it like it is BNP” more the “we’ll just add a few million on BNP”
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And as you are an Australian why are you so concerned about Britain anyway, and again on that point wasn’t Australia overrun by immigrants and stolen from it’s indigenous people?
Should you therefore be saying we should give Australia back to its natives? but I guess not as the native Australians were not white.
Anyway on that note I shall end my participation here as you have come up with nothing that changes my opinion or shows me any evidence of yor claims, apart from claiming because you can’t access a page from a report you are hinting at some form of conspriacy …. !!!!
Try checking your computer first, I can and have read the entire report, when people jump straight on this conspriacy rubbish it tends to make me go ….. here we go again …. !!!
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I have a 15 y/old son that has been able to source and prove his opinions on which party to support better than any BNP supporter I have encountered, and all I can say to that is that I am proud of his ability to not listen to retoric and take claims at face value.
He goes off does the research and proves his statements without resorting to basic teenage insults and he is a teenager.
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Yes, we did invade and settle this land. Yes the Abos have been reduced to comparative primatives ( sorry, they were to begin with), but we developed this nation.
So from a knowledge of that, i can only see too clearly what is happening in the Caliphate of Britain. It is just that i am not bloody stupid enough to deny what is happening. Or maybe you are one of the aforementioned left wing dickheads with your ideological blinkers on!
ps as an anglo saxon, i think i am entitled to an opinion of what happens in Britain
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“Or maybe you are one of the aforementioned left wing dickheads with your ideological blinkers on!”
There we are the normal BNP repeat response, just shows you cannot prove your statements and therefore resort to standard insult because I can’t cope with it tactic.
Thanks for being so transparent.
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Annon lives in a bubble…
And one day that bubble will burst with disastrous consequences for him and his family!
You’re a pompous old fool!
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“Yes, we did invade and settle this land. Yes the Abos have been reduced to comparative primatives ( sorry, they were to begin with), but we developed this nation.”
Well not much to be said here other than in my opinion it just shows your total lack of respect for the natives of your own country, if you can’t even show them respect what chance does anyone have?.
Anyway i think we’ve done with this now.
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is that the same respect shown by muslim extremists in Thailand, Somalia, Pakistan, Afganistan and Iraq over the last 2 days. They have murdered 30 odd people in seperate attacks, in the name of Islam. Have a look at religionofpeace dot com to varify this, and to see what awaits you in the Caliphate of Britain.
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you still miss the point. Britain is being invaded and colonised!
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The same way invaded and colunised Australlia, but again if you use the actual factual figures you’ll clearly see even with a basic education that that simply isn’t the case.
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And you still resort to cheap frankly childish insults because you actually have no factual evidence to prove your statements.
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I guess Annon lives in the bit where the “% of white people in Briton is currently in the region of 93.2%”.
I am not saying no to all immigration, quid pro quo & all that.
I lived in East London in an area that was Islamified & it wasn’t pleasent.
Even in my present area that was very white for many years is showing signs of many foreign faces now.
The fact is that if you have too many people from the 3rd world in an area they bring it with them & Moslems generally don’t integrate, they dominate an area.
This is my direct observation of such things & not just being accepting of BNP propaganda.
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“I guess Annon lives in the bit where the “% of white people in Briton is currently in the region of 93.2%”.”
A: No I live in a multicultural area
I simply am just not swayed of blagged by the ravings of the BNP, I use my ability to investigate the claims and learn for myself rather than being instructed in what I should believe.
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OK WTF let me pose a question for you
In your more white area are you actually sure that all those white people are British?
I went shopping at my local Asda last night and the place was full of white people, but as I walked around I heard at least 10 other languages being spoken, French, German, Russian etc all from White people, so are you really sure that the mainly white area you live are all British.
Immigrants doesn’t just mean NON-Whites are does that fact not really matter?
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Annon
without doubting the intellectual standing of your 15 year old, i would wonder whether he is really making any informed decisions or opinions for himself. From your posts, i would suggest that he parrots the old man’s views.
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as to resorting to childish insults, i have re-read my comments and am unable to find any. Regular contributors to this site would probably be aware that i rarely indulge in personal invective, but if the shoe fits…
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Actually not Aussie, as I said previously he has chosen a different party to me, by his own choice.
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if Annon cannot see the problems associated with the mass migration experiment here in Britain, all i can suggest is that he goes about life with his head inserted in his own arsehole!
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@Pigs Arse if you can’t actually add any factual information to the debate why bother taking part at all?
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I am not saying that the white people in my area are British!
10 years or so ago I could have guaranteed it but not now, some are Polish, Russian, Latvian etc.
So that proves the point I am making that even in a white area, it is subject to mass immigration!
Your experience & mine seems to prove that the 93.2% figure is a lie?
Maybe you are happy in your multi-cultural area, fine but why does every area have to go that way?
Why is it that white people have to live in multicultural areas but an African country is basically African or an Asian country is Asian & Moslem countries stay very firmly Moslem!
This trend is happening with most white countries I can think of.
I am not against immigration or travel (Quid pro quo & all that) but mass immigration is a recipe for disaster for any country.
You can force it on us but expect consequences from that such as extra crime or cultural collisions of one sort or another.
That doesn’t just mean white versus the others.
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WTF, I said before I agree that we do need to take action on immigration, but we don’t need to take the actions that the BNP are calling for.
And as I have already said before it isn’t just the immigration policy of the BNP I disagree with, I have read the other policies and they are just not workable in this country.
The main issue being the BNP’s insistance on turning the country into a protectionist state which will be nothing bu bad for this country is so many ways.
So I am not all together interested in the immigration debate because I don’t see it as the maor issue (in terms of BNP policies), the BNP have such rediculous policies that our country will be vertually knackerd inside two years even worse than it currently is.
That is my main reason for being against the BNP
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Annon, there are lies, damn lies and statistics.
Why rely on ststistics, when experiencing the problems is reality in itself; much better than other peoples anecdotal reports. You are living with Alice, in wonderland, if you really believe all is well here in Britain. We used to be a fairly harmonious country, now we have self serving migrants, living in ghettos, who are told BY the state, NOT to conform to our cultural practices, but to live their lives as they would had they stayed in their own cesspools. And we, the taxpayer, are paying for that right.
…it is not right, and that is why the BNP are gaining support!
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This is my major argument with BNP Supporters it’s all the immigrants fault, it’s all the immigrants fault.
Sorry but that is utter tosh, I will make this clear once more the main reason I disagree with the BNP is it’s policies on the Economy, if (and it’s a big if) they ever got a chance to enact this policy of protectionism this country will be in its knees within 2 years.
A protectionist state will do far more damage to this country than any Labour, Conservative or even Liberal Government.
It’s the insistance from the BNP that a 1950’s Labour Policy (any that’s exactly what it is) of protectionism and restricted trade that will floor this country.
Again move away from the immigration factor and look at the other policies the BNP are selling and do the research yourself and see just what damage they will do.
Immigration will be the least of our worries should the BNP be able to kick of the protectionism rubbish, think it through research it then decide.
There is far more to politics than immigration, and i wish the BNP Supporters would finally start to see past that.
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You only have to look at Nick Griffins latest speech in the EU Parliment, for the first 20 seconds I actually thought hang on he may say something worth listening to (and trust me that’s hard to achieve).
But within 30 seconds I switched off from him again because he broke off into his Conspriacy theory rants again, the NWO …. dull dull and very old and boring.
And that’s why they won’t win an election the average voter doesn’t listen to this drival we want to hear people who can make impacting statements and make us want to believe them.
the second you wonder off into the NWO and conspiracy rants most people switch off and say pratt (or words to that effect), and whether you want to believe that or not that is exactly what’s happening when people listen to him.
During the EU Elections I was tempted to take the BNP Seeriously untill I investigated the policies and worked out what they actually meant. But the biggest kick that moved me well away from the BNP was a conversation i had with a BNP candidtate, I possed policy questions and he didn;t want to know, his response (Exact quote)
“If you’re not interested in immigration you not British and I have no time for you” at which point he walked away, id that a way to win votes ….?
And the BNP wonder why they can’t get a wider support base, when people ask the serious questions they can’t answer them. that’s why people can’t and won’t take them seriously.
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Annon
As I made clear before I blame white politicians that make up our cozy self serving elite for the mess we are in.
I don’t think the BNP are quite as protectionist as you make out, get out of the EU but trade with Europe for a start.
I think under the next government we will be on our knees as the EU sucks us dry with its spiraling demands, assuming bank mismanagement & quantative easing don’t cause hyper inflation.
I clearly look beyond “Immigration, Immigration, Immigration” but maybe you can tell me your view on world population growth which drives mass immigration?
We as a planet can’t keep growing our populations, white populations generally are stable but in the 3rd world they can’t or won’t limit themselves to available resources (yes we over consume here too) but it is more disastrous for them.
They can’t keep on dumping their surpluses on us.
If the world population does go up to 9 billion from the current 6 billion or so then disaster is guaranteed.
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no one is suggesting that the BNP is going to win government. Their mere presence is causing debate on unregulated immigration and the effects upon our cultural integrity. If the BNP win a seat or two, it will be enough to exert some influence over policy direction.
As to the economic policies, well, they cannot be much worse than the established party’s track record at economic management.
Maybe Annon is an apologist for the Torys and not a lefty after all.
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2 MP’s out of over 600 will not give the BNP any power over policy, if you really believe that one then you seriously need to think again.
2 MPs does not power make, they may as well be independent mps for all the clout they will have.
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There is a certain irony to the description of Britain as being invaded, considering the Celts were probably the only group who didn’t invade Britain (I’m fairly sure the Neanderthals were gone by the time the Celts arrived…I’m prepared to be corrected if I’m wrong though). The Romans, the Anglo-Saxons and the Normans all invaded Britain. And why is it so difficult to believe that a 15 year old can actually decide which party they support of their own free will? If I was Annon’s son I would feel massively insulted at it being almost implied my dad was in some way brainwashing me. I’m sure this’ll get me a load of flak from BNP supporters for saying this, but I’m proud of how diverse Britain is, but that’s my own opinion.
Curious detail for BNP supporters, since apparentely WWII veterans would be turning in their grave at what’s happened: My grandfather, who died only a month ago, was a decorated Battle of Britain Spitfire pilot, who spent the last months of the war in a German POW camp. Far from turning in his grave at what’s become of England, from what I know of his political opinion he was NOT a BNP supporter, he showed you the same respect whoever you were, an attitude I share. And before anyone has a go at me, feel free to attack what I believe, but leave my grandfather out of this. I’ve actually tried to remain relatively respectful even when being insulted.
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