Hungarian Guard members marching
Jobbik, the Hungarian fascist party with close links to Nick Griffin MEP, have responded to Nothing British via its English website.
Jobbik deny that money was raised for the Hungarian Guard and that no member who was present at the session was wearing jeans with Nazi insignia sewn onto the back.
A local journalist for the Camden News Journal who was present at Jobbik’s pub meeting has also given his take on Sunday’s events. Tom Foot reports that the meeting was used to raise money for the New Hungarian Guard.
Foot also writes that the Gloucester Arms’ landlord, John Coyne, has said: “They are not National Front or anything like that. They are just Hungarians doing their stuff. They put their flag up and sing their anthem.”
Unfortunately, Jobbik are not just ordinary Hungarians. The Hungarian Guard, the para-military wing of the extremist party, is an organisation that is proscribed by Hungarian courts after it ruled that past marches have fuelled ethnic tensions and led to a disruption of public order. Many of Jobbik’s leaders regularly incite hostility towards Hungary’s vulnerable minorities. Sunday’s meeting did little to dispel their neo-fascist reputation.
Meanwhile, the Jewish Chronicle have reported that Great Ormond Street Hospital, who the British-Jobbik Association claim to have made a £230 dontation too, are yet to recieve any money from the organisation.
Great Ormond have yet to receive any money
A hospital spokesman said: “If we were to become aware of such a donation, we would investigate carefully and judge on the principles given above.”
For further information on Jobbik please see our dossier.
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No Mr Foot has done nothing of the kind. What Tom Foot did in the Camden New Journal was repeat your lie against Jobbik.
As he makes clear in his article, “But anti-fascist moles sitting in on the meeting said a bucket collection also went around for the New Hungarian Guard, which replaced a banned paramilitary association, the Hungarian Guard, a few months ago.”
That would be you then, your lie, repeated, by him.
Churnalism does not constitute proof.
And also as you know full well the collection for the hospital was donated to the landlord. The Jewish Chronicle has said so. Why would the Jobbik Friends of Hungary (UK) be sending the money?
Following your link to the Jobbik website. They ask you three simple questions:
1. What proof can you provide for all this Swastika/Nazi stuff?
(They don’t deny it, they ask you to prove your lie. Self-evidently you can provide no such proof or you would have done so.)
2. Why do you not demonstrate you truly are a morally driven “anti-extremist” organization instead of just the Tory party’s anti-BNP unit: by condemning the British establishment’s support for the murderous Jan Slota?
(silence)
3. What proof can you offer that money was collected for the Hungarian Guard, rather than for Great Ormond Street hospital?
(none)
You are simply making fools of yourselves. The Jobbik piece is entitled, “How lies turn into “facts” in the British media.” And frankly, they’ve got you lot down to a T.
Jobbik have no neo-Fascist reputation, despite your fervent attempts to give them one. Anyone who knows anything about Hungary will tell you as much.
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CNJ, this is just typical of a nothing british article. They dont care if the story is true or not, no research goes into any articles that you see on this site. They get their lies from commie sites.
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“Churnalism”
I like that word, very descriptive!
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Another pathetically misleading and irrelevant article from ‘nothingbritish.com’…
You are a laughing stock, even the numb-skulls at ‘Hope not Hate’ can cobble together a pack of lies better than this shoddy sites efforts!
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I see the fascist apologists are orchestrating again. Pathetically transparent.
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Forgive me, but whether someone is a Fascist apologist or not is to be frank, to me, completely irrelevant.
I simply object to being systematically lied to by an organization that claims to have a moralist objective.
This Hungarian party has put three simple questions on their website which remain unanswered. They predicted precisely as much.
Or is your position, Tad Suspicious, that if the Fascist charge is based on lies, and someone dares point out these lies for what they are, then the person pointing out the lies should be thought a “Fascist apologist?” I take it said individual would then be burned at the stake?
My position is that as a body funded by public donation, if Nothing British has been engaged in deliberate deception of the British public, as it would appear, then they are worthy of contempt. Pure and simple.
Finally, may I ask which academic definition of Fascism you consider this Hungarian group fulfills? Payne’s, Paxton’s, Griffin’s? Let me give you a clue by saying that flag-waving or having the UAF outside your pub is not considered a sufficient condition in any scholarly journal.
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My point is that all fascists lie: it is a key part of their makeup.
Don’t obfuscate. It requires intelligence…
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And yet curiously enough, you seem to find yourself perfectly capable of obfuscation…
All human beings lie, it is part of our make-up. Which is precisely why we rely so very much, on being given information we can trust.
When this trust is undermined, we are therefore justified in being suspicious of the motives of those who would dodge questions rather than answer them. This is precisely what Nothing British has done with respect to Jobbik’s perfectly reasonable enquiries. It is also what you did when I asked you to tell us which scholarly definition of Fascism you were using to categorize Jobbik.
My suspicion is that you are unacquainted with any of them, what other motive would you have for your rather childish ad hominem?
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What a load of bullshit! Jobbik are not and never have been “extremists” or “Fascists”. We are simply a Patriotic Organisation trying to salvage our own Culture from Globalisation, and Capitalism.
he real Fascists are the crazy Muslim fanatics ho are allowed to walk the streets of the UK free, wearing their backwards clothes and spreading hate against non-Muslims.
The SWP and other loony leftists shuld all be locked up!
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Just come across this interesting snippet from NB’s ‘asian youth’ article:
“UAF, however, should know better. After previous clashes we have said that UAF must restrain themselves more as their actions are counterproductive and actually heighten tensions.”
Clearly conservative-backed NB endorses a violent marxist organization so much as it offers them friendly advice instead of condemnation!
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why is that nothing british supports jan slota of slovakia who are fascist , but condems other groups, like jobbik who are just looking to make hungary a better place.
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The first NothingBritish article lied about “Swastikas and Nazi insignias”, now it’s been downgraded to just “Nazi insignias”.
We are getting there guys, they might tell the truth next week.
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Nothing British,You are a waste of space please please disband.You are now becoming a international laughing stock.Even your traitor Ex military traitors are walking away from you.So lord Bethell get a real job you puffed up idiot.
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Tad Suspicious, If you wish for sensible discussion, kindly dispense with ridiculous terms like “fascist”. I don’t think that there are any 1930/40s Italians here. Kindly discuss without pejoratives and we might get somewhere.
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[...] Nazis have held a meeting at a pub in Camden. Fifty thugs from the far-Right Jobbik party – which sits alongside the [...]
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Not to be outdone, the odious ‘Left Foot Forward’ has entered the worlds biggest liar competition…
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Public Statement to Lord James Bethell and Maurice Cousins. (The Conservative Home and Nothing British).
http://www.soldiersoffthestreet.com/Public%20Statement.html
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I see that has a link showing a connection between Alister Cooling & “Conservative Home” website.
Did he contibute any other articles?
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Hmmm BNP supporters (who at my last check were against immigrant workers from eastern europe coming here taking their job/benefits/women etc) rallying round to support a group of eastern european immigrants working here(i assume) and taking their jobs/benefits/pint etc.
Ahhhhh you couldnt make it up !!:) why dont you guys all get together and have a biiiig white skinned anti jewish anti gypsy hug ?
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Magyar Csaba says:he real Fascists are the crazy Muslim fanatics ho are allowed to walk the streets of the UK free, wearing their backwards clothes ..
Vor says:I think youll find that the most famous exponents of the backward clothing stylie are Kriss Kross..you may have missed it if youre not of these shores but heres a quick refresher.:)
Thirteen-year-old rappers Chris “Daddy Mack” Smith and Chris “Mack Daddy” Kelly became the pop sensations of 1992 as Kris Kross. The two were discovered at an Atlanta mall in 1991 by then-19-year-old producer Jermaine Dupri, who took them under his wing and came up with the gimmick of having the duo wear all of their clothing backwards, lending more significance to their name. Thanks in part to savvy marketing, “Jump,” which sampled the Jackson 5’s “I Want You Back,” became the fastest-selling single in 15 years, staying at number one for eight weeks on the billboard chart..
Kriss kross’ll make ya Jump !!
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Vor’ll make ya laugh (occasionally)
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Kriss Kross rings a very vague bell, But I must admit I didn’t take enough notice of them to notice the back to front clothes, I just assume all those sort of pop stars wear their hats back to front & don’t look any further.
Apparently you are a “Propeller head” if you do that!
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Nob head more like
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Do you mean k-nob as in door or nob as in Dave?
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Definitely Dave!
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Yeah dave is a Nob head!!
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vor
you are a sanctimonious hypocrite!
on one hand you defend the rights of migrants to be part of British society, but with the other , your views lead to the unravelling of British traditions and culture. As a descendent of immigrants, i wonder if your views are actually tempered with a mix of envy( at not being indigenous British) and resentment (the need to try and change society to fit in with your position).
We have the same problem here.
We let migrants in; they have been here 5 bloody minutes and say in pigeon English….” i am Australian”, then they spend the rest of their lives wrecking our culture in an attempt to inflict their own cultures upon us.
If you move to a country of your own free will ( or in your case, vor, because your antecedents did), then you should accept the prevailing traditions and culture of the host nation. Migrants should not be urged on by petty envy, and attempt to radically alter the host nation. In Britain, this can be seen with the ghettoisation of northern towns, which become facsimilies of Islamabad etc…
You are free in western countries to do pretty much as you like. If you dont like the environment in which you live, you are free to fuck off elsewhere!
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Hear Hear Aussie Al,well said…..Have a Happy New Year
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This racial clash of cultures has actually been engineered by new labour since it came to power. What better way to destroy british culture. This has been their goal. To give an analagy, take a small town anywhere in the country, with a population of 10000 persons, tiddling along with life as usual, then arrange to increase the population with another 3000 persons who are of a different culture/creed, sit back and watch the whole british ethos vanish. They have also , by their devious machinations, nearly manage to kick out scotland as well, they have done the same to northern ireland, handing over power to persons of doubtful character ( to put it mildly ). All this is to squash all our forefathers shed blood for, to trample it into the dust. As far as brown and cameron are concerned, the EU rules, that is why they are doing what they are doing. Multiply vor by thousands. The british have enjoyed good relations with ethnic people but beind those relations was the union flag, that was our strength, hence brown and cameron must destroy our ethos. They will gain many accolades, rewards and the like, but they have lost everything that we, the british, respect. That is, stand by the flag, the UNION flag.
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The main question to be asked of cameron, after all the hot air about true brits having an eu referendum he backed down. Why? now he did give a balls of an EXCUSE, THE FACT IS THIS IS OUR COUNTRY AND WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE A VOTE AS TO WHETHER WE ARE SOLD OUT OR NOT, THINK ABOUT IT FOLKS, YOU HAVE NO SAY IN YOUR FUTURE. what is being said in other words, f*** o** you are plebs, you are no longer british, you have no right to be british, so there, take it or else, the or else being phone tapping, surveillance, etc, all done under the excuse of anti terrorism, but the sick joke is, YOU are the terrorist.
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We’re not allowed a vote on the EU because we would vote the wrong way, we don’t get “it”.
Actually we do, that is why we would vote “NO” given half a chance, so the only opportunity open to people is to vote UKIP or BNP to register their dissatisfaction with things.
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Correct, forget about the rest of the ” usuals ” because they are a total waste of space. They will all say grand things before the election, particulary cameron who is nearly certain he will be elected. If he does get in he will be a trojan horse, he will be wined, dined etc by the chattering lefties and will issue grand ,stalwart defence of the british way of life, all wrapped up in gobblygook to confuse us all. By their actions you will know them. Just a simple request, let the people vote on the eu, both failed to do so, ensuring the subsequent squashing of what the majority want.In norway they were called quislings.
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This Country reminds me of the”Stepford Wives”,do as your told,not as you want.
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No doubt about it. Sad.
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Not to mention “Do as I say, not as I do”. As for Stepford Wives, Gordo and his goons have certainly turned us into a nation of automata.
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That is how the so called upper echelons live. You can see them on question time and similar tv programs. The bnp is the current target and the chattering classes will all band together to the attack, this is because there is no difference between the main parties now and they will not stand for any usurper to disrupt this process.This is similar in europe as well. This is all part of the “deballing” program.
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This is all part of the “deballing” process. There is no difference between the main parties now so that is why the main target is the bnp because they dare not be challenged. The same is happening in europe. What gets me is that none of the elected mps will say this, because they have been subjected to the process. The only way for the bnp is up because people have had enough. Part of the deballing process was the expense accounts only it was found out. Feed the swine well and they will sell their mothers.
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This is all part of the grand plan. Why do you think that the mps allowances were always passed, keep them well fed and they will say nothing.There is now no difference between the main parties in gb, this is the same in europe. That is why the bnp is hated, because they do not speak with forked tongue.
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happy new year folks and comrades. One year nearer total subjection.
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Northmen,Southmen,Comrades all..Dublin,Belfast,Cork and Donegal
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Happy New Year guys and Gals…………make the most of your freedom in 2010
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Saoirse Alba 2010
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sam, pogue ma hogue and join the deviants.
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The extremist group, Islam4UK, is planning to march through Wootton Bassett, to protest about muslims killed in Afghanistan.
This will deliberately offend the families of dead servicemen and is a deliberate affront to the nation of Britain.
If muslims are unhappy with the status quo in Britain, then they should fuck off.
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I have visited Islam4UK’s webpage, and left a blunt email with the deranged lawyer , who fronts that extremist organisation. His name is Anjem Choudary, he is an A-grade moron, he hates white Christians, hates Western society and believes the world would be better off if under Islamic guidance.
Nothingbritish should look at the activities of this group, as they do pose a threat to British stability.
Choudary cannot be motivated by religious purism alone; i mean, for allahs sake, he worships the sect of that deviant pedophile Mohammed. I think that Choudary and others of his ilk, are envious of western people and their hatred of us stems from that envy.
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pogue ma houge?join the deviants?i ve already said i dont like the bnp or the monarchy
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AussieAl
Old Choudary has a colourful past, maybe he has a guilt complex?
If they try their march I don’t think they will get very far, at best I think, to use VoR’s phrase, “more than a taxi but less than a bus” full of them & they may well find hundreds blocking their way.
Hopefully the police will tell them not to go there.
I think Choudary & co should be deported.
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wtf
hope you are right, but what is really insiduous is that the people who hold these views are living within our communities; how the hell can westerners differentiate between malcontents and those that attempt some form of intergration.
You only have to look at the London bombers as an example of sliiping under the radar.
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I think this government’s radar is set rather high, which is why a lot slip under it!
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go to iran and have a march for christian rights, you will get far.
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Jason
it is certainly ironic that muslims living in the west will agitate for recognition of their groups, wheras they would not say boo, or give a stuff, in their own countries.
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exactly, they have one direction in the uk and that is to undermine and disrupt by any means.
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it stems from an arrogant, zealous belief, that the word according to mohammed is the only word. They have spent nearly 1300 years spreading islam on the point of a sword.
people with other religous beliefs are seen as infidels
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As opposed to Christians who seem intent on calling anyone who disagrees with them lost souls in need of saving. I’m not calling Islam anywhere near perfect (I would point out that I’m yet to meet a single Muslim who matches your stereotype of them but that’s just my own experience). Yet Christianity has many moments in its history where its turned on non-believers, the two most obvious being the Crusades (ironic that Muslims treated Jews better than the Catholic Church did) and the Spanish Inquisition.
As for Muslims being arrogant, maybe they are but from my experience you could level the same accusation at a lot of Christians.
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Aussie, judging by the venom aimed at my friend for choosing to be pagan by some on this site I’m not sure Christian reaction to non-believers is much better.
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Edmund, get a grip, banter is the word!
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I am sure if Edmund’s friend decides to do a naked dance by moonlight, I think Jason might well show up to help with the celebrations & the Pagans liked a drink & camp fire.
No wonder BBQ’s caught on here again!
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jason, declaring her a satanist who wants everyone to have sex with animals goes beyond just banter. I expect if she was hear using “banter” against Christians you probably wouldn’t see the funny side of it.
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You have to have a sense of humour. You are the one who has suggested that anything goes, that standards are no concern of yours. I think this pagan friend is probable yourself. If it is we can arrange that all the used christmas trees be left at your house. Just think of the joy that will bring. If you close your eyes you might even see pan.
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When exactly did I say anything goes? Again jason you seem to be labelling my friend and I with beliefs which you have no evidence we do. I probably could have had a sense of humour about it were it not for you accusing her of agreeing with Stalin, Hitler, et al.
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Edmund, by your own words you have no standards, therefore it satands to reason you would support anybody or anything as long as it did not interfere with your own life. In other words, you are anybodys. Now hitler and co are dead but there is another one just round the corner. But not to worry, well you wont anyway. Anything goes.
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Show me where I said anything goes, because from where I’m stood you are just reading whatever you like into my comments, while adding a bit of good old-fashioned prejudice into the mix. Apologies for not believing that entire groups should face discrimination just because they don’t agree with you. You haven’t actually ASKED me what me or my friend think of Stalin, you’ve just decided you understand our beliefs already. Obviously you have psychic powers and haven’t told anyone.
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Edmund, you either believe that at the moment our country is a moral wasteground or you do not. Now if you see nothing wrong there is not much that I can say only keep on hugging the trees, but watch the needles because you might end up with a prick.
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I never said there was nothing wrong jason, however I don’t believe that turning on anyone who isn’t “normal” will make Britain better.
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All I have suggested is that we follow the Biblical teaching. You are saying no, because you are a pagan, well, fair enough, but pagans are known for their sexual adventures etc, do they support sodomy?
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I feel people should be allowed to follow whatever teachings they like. If people start suggesting we should break the law then, contrary to what you think my opinion is, I would strongly oppose that. As for pagans and sodomy I don’t know. As for me being a pagan, I never actually said I was, I would currently describe myself as having no religious affiliation…which would probably make me default to atheist.
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Ask your pagan friend agout the sodomy bit. People should be able to follow what they like providing it corresponds with the principles of the union flag. You see there is a common thread that runs through the atheist?pagan thinking and that is no loyalty to certain standards required for good governance of the land. I am bound by standards that I believe are british. That is why I am proud of my flag and what it stands for.
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But if I am to take your word for it jason british standards mean discrimination and intolerance against those who aren’t “normal”, which is hardly allowing people to follow whatever path they wish.
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Yes, but is normal being sodomite, thief, murderer etc.? Why subject schoolchildren to indoctrination to that which is condemed in the Bible? think about it, this is being rammed down our throats daily, the same as the eu sellout. They cannot hide their works but what they can do is corrupt the young and to me that is so sick I feel sick.As I said before, what goes on with adults behind closed doors is their business, what goes on in public places is mine and family business. I will not have my kids subjected to this propaganda.
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You would rather they grew up believing that homosexuals were to be shunned and seen as sick? You’re right that no-one should be brainwashing kids to do anything, but I think they should at least be taught to respect those who are different. They don’t have to like or agree with it, I don’t agree with Nick Griffin’s views but I would support his right to say them.
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Sodomites should be counselled, love the sinner, hate the sin. that says it all.
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Thou Shalt Not Kill..unless of course we dont like them and they wont change their ways to our ways…ah christianity the true religion
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If people are going to be allowed to believe or do what they wish (within reason, I’m not suggesting we go around letting people kill or steal unopposed) you can’t then be trying to convince them to change your ways.
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Sam, I was having a conversation with two Christians once, who were completely agree that it was absurd that each religion, even Christian denomination, claimed everyone else was lying and THEY knew the truth. Their next comment? That of course THEY knew the whole truth.
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Oops, sorry jason, that should say their ways not your ways.
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Edmund. How on earth do you think there can be a religion that doesn’t believe it is the one true religion?
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No, I just find it ironic that religions call others arrogant for claiming to know the truth while telling everyone that THEY know the truth.
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All I can say is repeat what it says in the Bible and that is good enough for me.As far as I know the Koran does not advocate killing sodomites or stoning to death adulterers or indeed wearing tents over their bodies, neither does the Bible, so obviously man has corrupted these books to own advantage.So if you study both books you will see that they virtually the same thing, the difference is man made.If people kept according to true religion it would be a paradise but of course that will never happen.Duringww2 the guards at the death camps wore buckles on their belts with” god with us” emblazoned on the metal. But you cannot blame the Bible for that, you blame the churches for lack of moral leadership, which is exactly what is happening here today, and the same thing happened during the fall of the roman empire.So we need someone with the guts to bring order back into britain.All you have to do is study the bible. It tells you what is happening, and what is going to happen. Sure, fools will laugh over their drinks, or when seeking perverted pleasure but they are the fools, and so is the govt. and churches for allowing this decay to take place.If you do not believe the bible then that is your misfortune, not mine.Well, it may be mine if you are a schoolteacher. You will then have to be vetted.
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I remember a story awhile back that a French(?) girl had a vision from God & that in short, God told her that nobody had it quite right, nobody had a monopoly on the right way to worship God.
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I’m trying to avoid comparisons with apartheid (because I assume you aren’t suggesting measures quite as strong as that system advocated) but how tolerant is it to keep people seperated because they don’t match your image of perfection? I assume other religions would be the next target because I’m unaware of the Bible saying to accept other religions, maybe I’m wrong though.
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I think religion & sex (not necessarily at the same time) should be private matters & be seperate from the state.
The only exception I make is Islam which I & many others feel is dangerous in western societies.
I would allow it only on the basis it stays out of politics & keeps quiet.
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Either you want to live in britain as a native or you do not. This is our country. How is it that , to take one example coloured police can have their own union, because if a native briton , white and in the police advocated a white only union, the pc brigade would have the shits.They would call for that man to be sacked.To put it simply, anyone has rights only a white,non sodomite british male, the policy of new labour is to have this person erased from living memory.That is why bnp is on the right track. By the way, what about global warming? Total balls.
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I would get rid Trevor Phillips little empire & most if not all QUANGO’s, ACPO would need to be answerable to someone & not be a private company.
Common Purpose needs weeding out & so on.
As for global warming/climate change, the fact that Goldman Sachs & Al Gore stand to make billions out of this should tell you something.
Goldman Sachs were heavily involved in the banking crisis & have done well out of it, does anybody think these people will save the planet, I don’t.
Still if they screw it up, their money will be worthless.
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No doubt about it, remember the well publicised photo of the polar bears, they were on a floe hunting seals, but the propaganda issued to the effect they had nowhere else to go. nothing is allowed to be normal anymore.
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jason, as I said to Davey in another conversation I don’t support anyone being discriminated against, if Britain is to be a “level playing field” that means everyone has to be given the same fair treatment.
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What do you mean by “everyone”
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As in not treating people differently based on religious beliefs, skin colour (including white people), sexuality, which social group they belong to, gender, anything.
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I think he means “Everyone”!
Including those we disagree with.
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I tell you what, it would simplify the law greatly & put a few parasites out of business if we got rid of all the ‘isms & applied the law equally with no exceptions at all.
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As in discrimination is wrong whoever the perpertrator or victim is? Or that everyone is allowed to discriminate?
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The law should be blind, none of this dressing it up or playing it down because somebody is black or white.
There have been many cases that are seen as worse than others especially if the victim is from an ethnic minority & the perpetrator is white.
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I agree, it shouldn’t get more or less attention depending on victim or perpertrator. If we’re going to condemn discrimination we should treat ALL discrimination as equally unacceptable.
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