On the day that Nick Griffin, leader of the BNP, has called world leaders mass murders, Nothing British publishes an analysis of the BNP’s environmental analysis, “Mr Griffin goes to Copenhagen“.
Our report into the BNP’s environmental policies found:-
* BNP analysis is mired in xenophobia and conspiracy theories
* Policies are subject to political opportunism and flip-flop
* Proposals are uncosted, unworkable and bizarre
Nothing British said, “Mr Griffin’s trip to the UN Summit is an embarrassing waste of taxpayers’ money”.
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Why don’t “NOTHING BRITISH” challenge BNP policies in a debate, instead of smearing them all the time?
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“an embarrassing waste of taxpayers’ money”
You have now become the biggest joke on the world wide web!
This site is extracting the urine surely?!
How can any tory-related blog have the audacity to criticize wasting taxpayers money after the appalling decadence displayed by your MP’s expenses?!
Are you really that pompous and detatched from reality?
Keep up the good work, if this really is a tory blog, then you’re making them look like right tits!
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“an embarrassing waste of taxpayers’ money”
You have now become the biggest joke on the world wide web!
This site is extracting the slash surely?!
How can any tory-related blog have the audacity to criticize wasting taxpayers money after the appalling decadence displayed by your MP’s expenses?!
Are you really that pompous and detatched from reality?
Keep up the good work, if this really is a tory blog, then you’re making them look like right idiots!
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“an embarrassing waste of taxpayers’ money”
You have now become the biggest joke on the world wide web!
How can any tory-related blog have the audacity to criticize wasting taxpayers money after the appalling decadence displayed by your own MP’s expenses?!
Are you really that pompous and detatched from reality?
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The whole Copenhagen thing is a waste of time & money.
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‘Nothing British said, “Mr Griffin’s trip to the UN Summit is an embarrassing waste of taxpayers’ money”.’
I am happy for Mr Griffin to go Copenhagen on my taxes.
And what about the torys green policy:
‘The article further highlights deep divisions within the Conservative Party over environmental policy that have seen a number of senior figures express opposition to Cameron’s stance on environmental issues and his support for the government’s climate change bill.’
‘The stance of some of his backbenchers represents a major challenge to Cameron’s team,’
Read the rest of the report here:
http://tiny.cc/AG8LX
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Maybe on his return he will tell how he has secured something or arranged something or actually acheived something there . Copenhagen has a long tradition of producing fairy tales maybe Nick will have a few
These things piss me off no end. I remember the poverty one only for the fact the delegates had a 12 course meal!! ?? This one is just as sensible “lets all fly to copenhagen to see how we can reduce air travel” then “Lets all get driven to the venue in 6litre V12 mercedes S class limos to see how we can reduce polution from cars”???!!! Havent these expense munching bastards heard of video conference??
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Anyone would think it was only Griffin going to this conference, why don’t ‘nothingbritish’ criticize the other delegates?
At least Griffin will speak what most of the British public are thinking – that climate change is a scam!
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maybe he will “send em back” on bicycles to cut down on emissions or use the latest energy saving furnaces in his Auschwitz style death camps
Ithink its because Nick Griffin has no political power in British politics he is a non entitiy (elected MEP or not)
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Is the tosspot Cameron going to Copenhagen? He is a supporter of the global warming scam and will be licking round Obama’s and Gore’s arseholes. Griffin will be there to expose the scam. He’s a man of honour, just lick Chris Monckton.
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MEPs have little power in Europe…
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Vor says: “in his Auschwitz style death camps
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Not wanting to sound like that pompous old oaf Dimbleby, but whats so funny about Auschwitz then Vor?!
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They had a sign on the front that said “work will make you free” and everyone was unemployed!!
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MEPs have little power in Europe…
So what! People respect courage against adversity. Decent people also respect honour. Power means shite when you have little respect and no honour.
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yeah if youre in a tv show like monkey Magic. In the real world people bow to money and power. thats why when Mother Theresa died the same week as the windsor Bike that was Diana . No one noticed!!
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Bullshit Vor. Everyone respected Mother Theresa. Power is hanging from a thread. In that it can be lost at a whim. Respect and honour echoes through eternity.
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I think the point you are trying to make is that Nick Griffin is worthy of respect.
The fact of the matter is HE IS NOT. He is a figure detested by most, ridiculed by many both in the UK and in the European parliament. He finds his seat beside the other minority right wing leaders and has very little influence over anything of consequence. The fact he is Chairman and has some personal wealth just goes to show if you have money you can gain power and influence events. There are several members on this forum who are more qualified to be Chairman of the BNP and there opinions are more palatable and borne of a simple desire to improve Britain(which is commendable)
not based on some outdated racist motivation. Do you expect the nation to mourn when he dies? do you have illusions of him laying in state with thousands of visitors signing books of condolence? Maybe his casket wheeled through London on a gun carriage and a burial at St Pauls?
Brace yourself, his death will be reported in the papers and theyll simply print some of the stupid things he’s uttered in his life then stick his bloated carcass in the ground. I for one cant wait !!
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Another illusion shattered!
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Who says Nick Griffin isn’t worthy of respect? I think that he has shown far more bravery than any of the other politicians.
You, Vor, are always full of fear for those who are taunted and derided. Nick Griffin has experienced a lot of that and come out of it stronger.
Hmm – but do you feel that bullying and bad-mouthing is ok as long as you think the victim deserves it?
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well you would wouldnt you….respect is earned what has griffin done to earn respect,oh he stirs up a bit of racial tension now and again.only the fool would respect that,anyway how you doing mlj
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surely the banner headline should read…Mr Griffin an embarrassing waste……
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Peace on Earth and goodwill to ALL men……
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Hi Sam. Happy Christmas to you and yours.
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Yes it’ll be like a WW1 truce, we’ll meet in No Man’s Land & play football!
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Sam Pauli says:
Peace on Earth and goodwill to ALL men……
DREAM ON!
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The Cambridge Scientists have been caught red handed messing with Russia’s weather statistics,making up more lies to try and assist the “global warming bollocks”,go Nick Griffin kick the Ca-moron and Brown’s arse,then go and disinfect your shoes,the lieing no good scum.
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Britain sends a contingent of over 70 delegates to Copenhagen, at the taxpayers expense, yet only Griffin is newsworthy. Just shows how paranoid nb have become.
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Vor says: “He is a figure detested by most, ridiculed by many”
Yeah, so was Jesus Christ… Remember him?!
Why detest Griffin when he hasn’t done anything to the British people besides present them with facts. Griffin never voted to send our troops to their deaths in some pointless war, Griffin has never robbed the British tax-payer to feather his own nest!
The only people who should fear or ‘detest’ Griffin is wrong-doers and people who shouldn’t be here…
Your hatred is blind and without rational reasoning!
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Davey says:Vor says: “He is a figure detested by most, ridiculed by many”
Yeah, so was Jesus Christ… Remember him?!
Vor says:My god man, youve really lost it!! Are you actually comparing Jesus Christ to Nick Griffin??!!! So Jesus Christ. Born 2000 odd years ago whose legacy lives on until today in the hearts of Billions of people of all kinds, across the entire planet, Respected by other religions (Islam) as a riteous man and a prophet of the creator….. Is being compared to :
A bloated “politician” with limited support who follows a racist ideology. Is derided by the vast majority. These FACTS:) Nick presented the people with…
Do they include:In 1998 Nick Griffin said, “I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that 6 million Jews were gassed and cremated and turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also also once held that the Earth was flat… I have reached the conclusion that the “extermination” tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria.”
So where did Anne Frank go then??? Is she still hid in the attic!!
Where did they get the bodies for the Belsen newsreel ?? are they manneqiuns borrowed from Debenhams??
He never voted to send troops to their death because the British people didnt elect him as an MP under the terms representation of the people act. As for the only people who detest him being wrong-doers and people who shouldnt be here …. Does that include the vast majority of indigenous white people without criminal records who also think the same?? Ah but theyre commie sympathisers or pinkoe lefties!
I think if you read over what ive just written youll find its filed under… rational reasoning
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Davey says:
Yeah, so was Jesus Christ… Remember him?!
Vor says:My god man, youve really lost it!! Are you actually comparing Jesus Christ to Nick Griffin??!!! So Jesus Christ. Born 2000 odd years ago whose legacy lives on until today in the hearts of Billions of people of all kinds, across the entire planet, Respected by other religions (Islam) as a riteous man and a prophet of the creator….. Is being compared to :
A bloated “politician” with limited support who follows a racist ideology. Is derided by the vast majority. These FACTS:) Nick presented the people with…
Do they include:In 1998 Nick Griffin said, “I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that 6 million Jews were gassed and cremated and turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also also once held that the Earth was flat… I have reached the conclusion that the “extermination” tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria.”
So where did Anne Frank go then??? Is she still hid in the attic!!
Where did they get the bodies for the Belsen newsreel ?? are they manneqiuns borrowed from Debenhams??
He never voted to send troops to their death because the British people didnt elect him as an MP under the terms representation of the people act. As for the only people who detest him being wrong-doers and people who shouldnt be here …. Does that include the vast majority of indigenous white people without criminal records who also think the same?? Ah but theyre commie sympathisers or pinkoe lefties!
I think if you read over what ive just written youll find its filed under… rational reasoning
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Agree 100% Davey. Good post!
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nice post Davey,well said and true.
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Davey have you lost your mind or have you started your Christmas drinking binge a bit early??
You have just stated:“He is a figure detested by most, ridiculed by many”
Yeah, so was Jesus Christ… Remember him? I thankfully had just emptied my bladder before reading it.
Are you actually drawing a line between Jesus Christ and Nick Griffin?? Ill recap for you. Jesus Christ was born 2000 odd years ago and had a profound effect on the entire world. To this day we celebrate his existance and shortly celebrate his symbolic birth. 2.1 BILLION people consider themselves his followers, almost a third of the worlds population.
Nick Griffin was born in recent times and has very little impact on anywhere in his short time on earth. He at the last general election in his chosen ward he got just under 4500 votes. His party at the last general election got considerably more but still have a long way to go before they hit 2.1 billion.:)
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2nd point:Why detest Griffin when he hasn’t done anything to the British people besides present them with facts.
FACTS LIKE THESE ?
I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that six million Jews were gassed and cremated and turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also once held that the Earth was flat … I have reached the conclusion that the ‘extermination’ tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria
So does Nick(The Messiah)Griffin think Anne Frank is still hid in the attic?
Does Nick think the bodies at Belsen were mannequins borrowed from Debenhams?
Moving swiftly on. Nick didnt vote on sending anyone anywhere because the good people of Britain decide not to vote for the fat odious prick wherever he decides to run for election. So of course he didnt vote for the Iraq war because he has just as much political clout as say a Somalian Refugee who has been naturalised… Ouch i bet that stings.
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Griffin has never robbed the British tax-payer to feather his own nest!
Havent seen his expense claims yet. but considering he has no power why does he bother going to all these meetings ??? for the pies by the look of him.
Finally:The only people who should fear or ‘detest’ Griffin is wrong-doers and people who shouldn’t be here…
Hahaha so when at the last general election your beloved party drew less than a percentage of the possible votes youre suggesting that the other 99% are immigrants and criminals ???
Give ya head a shake … and then shake the skulls of your approving fans they are clearly blowing smoke up your arse….
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Griffin facts given to the British public:I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that six million Jews were gassed and cremated and turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also once held that the Earth was flat … I have reached the conclusion that the ‘extermination’ tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria
I rest my rationally reasoned case m’laud.:)
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JC had to be crucified before people took much notice of him, I guess QT wasn’t quite a crucification for NG but give him time, we’ll have to compare notes in 2000 years time!
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vor
there might be 2 billion christians now, but in 1950 there were only 2 billion odd people on our planet. As we approach the 7 billion mark coming into 2010, instead of talking climate change etc… have a rational discussion about our over-population problem. While we are at it, lets discuss the wave of third world migrants flooding the developed world!
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Vor, without any opposition, where do you imagine our far left Govt and Cameron’s look-alike will lead us? What sort of a country do you envision?
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As another wit put it, don’t worry about global warming, worry about global swarming!
If we are going to have a world population of 7 billion plus then that surely drives man’s impact on the environment.
But all that is talked about is the UK or similar countries doing something, no hint that others should limit their population growth, while we throw huge sums of money at them.
Tell me what use giving money to the Maldives is, they won’t build a sea wall around the islands, they can only evacuate.
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What about the con that is energy saving light bulbs?
I use them but they’re actually considered hazardous waste, you are not supposed to put them in the dustbin.
Anyway you can now get LED conversion kits for torches/flashlights, they are tiny, very bright, rugged & last a long time & are energy saving.
So why are they not made for household lighting fittings?
Maybe some companies have a rather large stockpile of the bulky energy saving types & will only allow domestic LED’s on to the market once the old type are used up?
Then there is the digital TV con, we haven’t yet switched over to digital from analogue & the system they are giving us is both inferior & obselete as most people have HD TV’s & HD sources such as SKY or Blu Ray discs.
But I think the government just want to sell off the bandwidth to make some money & if you want something better you have to pay for it.
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I have just stumbled across a new conspiracy theory about the digital switchover, apparently the equipment can watch you while you watch it!
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Remember please, you are being asked to drive 5 miles less weekly. This is to stop global warming. But it only applies to the brit plebs.Brown wants to be remembered for his global warming fight. He may become Baron Brown if he keeps this up, so please folks, do your bit, drive less ..
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In this world today you have to be an acquiesent clone to gain respect. If you stand out for a principle you are derided and spurned. The bnp has told the facts and the chattering classes do not like that. The grand eu plan is to squash Britain like a flea, a thing they failed to do -ever. So now play a wee game , name and shame the quislings.
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How about we drive 5 miles more a week in the hope a giant wave will wash away gormless Gordon?
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This tory site is becoming a joke,every tory i meet is a closet racist,fact.As for wasting taxpayers money ,its amazing how many torys are standing down at the next election because they have been caught out stealing our hard earn money.Torys are a disgrace.So dont think for one moment the election is in the bag.BECAUSE ITS NOT.
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army bnp, you are correct. The tories are putting forward a british stance that has already weakened, proof is no public vote on the eu. They are pseudo right wing, the fact is they are part and parcel of the eu and will treat us plebs just as the pseudo labour party, with total disdain. The only party I can see that calls a spade a spade is the bhp. I cant see the bnp tolerate any council that will not allow the flying of the union flag. It makes me weep with shame that this is happening in England. Two world wars, both one, but the quislings are selling us out. bnp is the answer.
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won, not one, sorry.
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Army BNP this site has always been a joke since day one. You just have to look at there sources of information, this is just a cut and paste site apart from their pathetic attempt at the so called stolen valour which done nothing apart from give the BNP more air time and allowed us to see lord snooty make a idiot of himself on C4 with Nick Griffin.
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Army BNP, why do you think Cameron, is refusing to give the plebs ( us ) a vote on the eu? It is because we , the majority, do not want to be part and parcel of these greedy twats , they know this and cameron has been spoken to and , being as he is, let himself be shagged by the fascist marxists.So the way forward is the BNP.
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You guys, WTF,Army bnp,Jason Norris,Kenny,Aussie Al,MLJ and any other straight thinking common sense Nationalist?……………..Have a great Christmas all you guys…………..O.K,have a great Christmas too all you lefty guys/gals…including you Sammi and the sTORY tellers on this shite.opps i meant site.
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Happy Christmas too, but it might be about 5 months until we get our “presents”!
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RJ Mitchell, same to you, have a good one. One puzzling factor, does santa claus contribute to global warming, because if he does he should be reported to the authorities and suitably chastised ie fined for starters, then told to swear an oath of allegiance to the eu, then told to take a test, then given a peadophile check, particularly as he likes going down holes. ho ho ho ho ho.
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Ahh but Santa only comes once a year & when he does, it’s down your chimney & it fills your stockings!
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Daveys not of the hook yet boys.
Why detest Griffin when he hasn’t done anything to the British people besides present them with facts. Griffin never voted to send our troops to their deaths in some pointless war.
Heres some facts by Nick “the messiah” Griffin:
“I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that 6 million Jews were gassed and cremated and turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also also once held that the Earth was flat… I have reached the conclusion that the “extermination” tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria.” (1998 – Statement outside court)
Oh dear Nick”david Koresh”Griffin thinks Anne Frank is still hid in the attic and the corpses at Belsen were manneqins borrowed from the Polish branch of Debenhams. This is as good as the sermon on the mount from JC….
Oh And as for “Griffin never voted to send our troops to their deaths in some pointless war” Thats because Nick Griffin never got the opportunity as an MP
because the good people of Yorkshire voted someone else to represent them.
Nick got c4500 votes. So it seem the “New Messiah” isnt very popular and has the same political power as say an Ethiopian refugee who has been naturalised and given the vote……Ouch that must sting a little.
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Daveys not of the hook yet boys.
Why detest Griffin when he hasn’t done anything to the British people besides present them with facts. Griffin never voted to send our troops to their deaths in some pointless war.
Heres some facts by Nick “the messiah” Griffin:
“I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that 6 million Jews were gassed and cremated and turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also also once held that the Earth was flat… I have reached the conclusion that the “extermination” tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria.” (1998 – Statement outside court)
Oh dear Nick”david Koresh”Griffin thinks Anne Frank is still hid in the attic and the corpses at Belsen were manneqins borrowed from the Polish branch of Debenhams. This is as good as the sermon on the mount from JC….
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Oh And as for “Griffin never voted to send our troops to their deaths in some pointless war” Thats because Nick Griffin never got the opportunity as an MP
because the good people of Yorkshire voted someone else to represent them.
Nick got c4500 votes. So it seem the “New Messiah” isnt very popular and has the same political power as say an Ethiopian refugee who has been naturalised and given the vote……Ouch that must sting a little.
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Daveys not of the hook yet boys.
Why detest Griffin when he hasn’t done anything to the British people besides present them with facts. Griffin never voted to send our troops to their deaths in some pointless war.
Heres some facts by Nick “the messiah” Griffin:
I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that 6 million Jews were gassed and cremated and turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also also once held that the Earth was flat… I have reached the conclusion that the “extermination” tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria.” (1998 – Statement outside court)
Oh dear Nick”david Koresh”Griffin thinks Anne Frank is still hid in the attic and the corpses at Belsen were manneqins borrowed from the Polish branch of Debenhams. This is as good as the sermon on the mount from JC….
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Daveys not of the hook yet boys.
Why detest Griffin when he hasn’t done anything to the British people besides present them with facts. Griffin never voted to send our troops to their deaths in some pointless war.
Heres some facts by Nick “the messiah” Griffin:
I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that 6 million Jews were gassed and cremated and turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also also once held that the Earth was flat… I have reached the conclusion that the “extermination” tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria.” (1998 – Statement outside court)
Oh dear Nick”david Koresh”Griffin thinks Anne Frank is still hid in the attic and the corpses at Belsen were manneqins borrowed from the Polish branch of Debenhams.
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@ vor…
Nick got 4500 votes in Yorkshire?
Don’t you mean 132,094 in the North west?
At least he’s been elected unlike that odious muslim woman the tories seem so proud of!
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Merry Christmas to all (muslims included). I guess you are all going to the beach for your holidays, what with all this global warming!
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No we are having a cold snap, snow at Christmas, who would have thought it eh?
Still it can all be explained away by the catch all phrase “Climate change.
Never mind in the UK the climate changes everyday, sometimes several times in one day!
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I meant(and refered to) the general election, as that would have made him an M.P. Where he returned 4250 votes to gain fourth place(behind a Lib Dem candidate from an ethnic minority) Now he gained 9.2% of the ballot and increased his share by 9.2% aswell.
Ahhhh you are just a party of confusion.
“At least he’s been elected unlike that odious muslim woman the tories seem so proud of! ”
I know an unelected woman who recieved £41.5 million in the last tax year. She is mixed race of and married to an immigrant. Her family have avoided paying tax over the past century and to this day theyve not paid a penny in inheritance tax after the death of her mother.. ive got some figures below detailing the cost of travel for her and her UNELECTED minions.
The amount spent on royal travel – which comes from the taxpayer through grants-in-aid payments – increased by £300,000 to £6.5m. The most expensive journeys were the Prince of Wales and the Duchess of Cornwall’s long-haul overseas tours, which were mentioned in Charles’s annual review published last week. Yesterday’s accounts revealed the actual figures, showing that the cost came to £1,310,669 including staff reconnaissance trips.
Their charter flights to the Far East cost £655,675, a train ride from Tokyo cost £2,596, their flights to South America came to £645,127 and the charter yachts cost £7,271. In addition, a staff reconnaissance ahead of the trip to the Far East cost £35,810 in flights, while the one to South America was £41,423.
A trip taken by the Queen’s cousin to islands in the South Pacific cost the taxpayer nearly £150,000. The Duke of Gloucester – 19th in line to the throne – and his wife, the Duchess of Gloucester, flew to Tonga and the Solomon Islands in August last year. Their scheduled flights from London to New Zealand and back from Australia came to £35,413, while charter flights to the islands came to £114,000 – a total of £149,413.
So davey boy whatever this nice muslim lady costs us im sure its just a fraction of what the royals do… Dont bleat on about someone being UNELECTED when what you really mean is DARK SKINNED OR MUSLIM….
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Why detest Griffin when he hasn’t done anything to the British people besides present them with facts
Davey ive found some nick griffin “FACTS”
“I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that six million Jews were gassed and cremated and turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also once held that the Earth was flat … I have reached the conclusion that the ‘extermination’ tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria.”
Nick”David Koresh” Griffin thinks Anne Frank is still hid in the attic and the bodies we saw at Belsen were mannequins from the Warsaw branch of Debenhams.
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Why detest Griffin when he hasn’t done anything to the British people besides present them with facts
Davey ive found some nick griffin “FACTS”
Nick”David Koresh” Griffin thinks Anne Frank is still hid in the attic and the bodies we saw at Belsen were mannequins from the Warsaw branch of Debenhams.
find his statement about the holocaust and you will see his factual accuracy
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Yeah but the Queen still works out better value for money than our elected parasites & people pay money to come here & gawp at stuff associated with her.
Can’t see Warsi being much of a tourist attraction unless it was a public execution.
Or that one housed on millionaires row at council taxpayers expense or…..
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Our present bunch of politicians do a nice line in “facts” too!
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@ vor…
Warsi is disliked not because of her skin tone, even muslims dislike that wretched woman!
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Sorry folks for the repeated posts,this site is so shit !! it posts stuff from my phone 2 days later.
I dont know a thing about her but i know she isnt popular…
All peers for the chop if you ask me. As outdated as the monarchy
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@ vor…
At last we can agree on something!
This site is garbage… But at least you get a laugh out of it if nothing else!
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agreed !!!
But you know if we stayed on topic for long enough or looked thriugh my posts youd see im not for unlimited immigration of Sharia law or any of that shit.
The long and the short of it is:Every penny thats spent dealing with illegal immigration , Bogus asylum seekers , etc etc is one penny less spent on books in my kids school, or cleaners in the hospital ill end up in. You will find plenty of non white people have a love for Britain/England thats as much as yours. I dunno how hard line you are with the bnp but some of these guys are just concerned patriots(nothing wrong with that) but some are the “send em back” rights for whites stuck in the 70’s idiots. I dunno what you think but having represented Britain in sporting endeavors ive felt the immense pride that brings.
I dont think, to say that say Ian Wright isnt English does him any justice. I Know the BNP have the semaphore signal for the start of the battle of Trafalgar “ENGLAND EXPECTS” but maybe if they looked into it they would see:
This week, 200 years after their historic battle, Admiral Horatio Nelson and his heroic crews will be celebrated across the country for pulling off England’s most significant naval victory.
Inspired by Nelson’s famous last order to the fleet that “England expects that every man will do his duty,” the men were true to their leader’s word.
A few hours later, Nelson lay dying on the deck of his flagship, the Victory, knowing that the defeat of the combined French and the Spanish fleet was within his grasp.
England had been spared the invasion by Napoleon’s French army. However, the great victory at Cape Trafalgar off the west coast of Spain was owed in large part to a forgotten foreign legion of sailors. More than a third of the crew of the Victory were drawn from outside England, including the West Indies, Africa, France and Spain.
The crews on board the English fleet were renowned for their toughness. Public floggings were frequent, there was a lack of drinking water, food was in short supply and scurvy was common. They were also the best-drilled and most disciplined force on the seas.
Many of the foreigners on board may have been press-ganged, the hated system of recruitment that was still rife in the Royal Navy, which was always short of sailors to man the so-called “wooden walls” of England.
Little is known about the foreigners who made up nearly a third of Nelson’s flagship, and the many more who served on the other men of war in Nelson’s fleet that day.
Malcolm Godfrey, 50, a retired naval officer, who has researched the black sailors who served alongside England’s most famous naval hero, said some may have been recruited while Nelson’s fleet chased the French fleet in the Caribbean.
“The problem is that the records at the time show the country where they joined ship, but not their ethnicity,” said Mr Godfrey, who runs an event company in Greenwich, home of the National Maritime Museum and the former RN College, now a university, where Nelson’s body was taken before his state funeral.
“In the run-up to the battle of Trafalgar,” said Mr Godfrey, “they chased the French fleet to the Caribbean. The Navy brought in people from the Caribbean because they were used to the climate. They could have pressed men as they pursued the French.
“They also released men from slavery and they were freed to join the Navy. A lot of those listed on board as Americans could possibly have been black slaves who were freed.”
The black sailors were such an integral part of the Royal Navy that a black figure is given a key role in the painting of the death of Nelson by Daniel Maclise which is in the Walker Art Gallery, Liverpool, with a copy on the wall of the Royal Gallery in the House of Lords. The sailor, flanked by two redcoats, is pictured in the centre of the canvas, standing over the dying Nelson, and he is pointing up at the rigging, probably at the sniper who fired the fatal ball that had penetrated Lord Nelson’s spine.
An almost identical black figure was also carved later on the plinth on the south side of Nelson’s Column in Trafalgar Square. The man is unidentified, but may be one of the nine West Indians who were listed on board the Victory at the battle. They include Jonathan Hardy, 25, an ordinary seaman, John Thomas, 23, a Jamaican landsman, or John Francois, 32, an ordinary seaman. George Ryan, 24, also was listed as “African”.
Pieter Van der Merwe, of the National Maritime Museum at Greenwich, said there was “little evidence” that the blacks in the Royal Navy in Nelson’s day suffered “institutional discrimination”. However, he pointed out that it was rare for blacks to be promoted beyond able seaman, and being made a commissioned officer was almost unheard of, although a mixed race “mulatto” rose to become an RN Captain in the West Indies, where he served out his naval career.
The number of foreign nationals in the crew of the Victory was “unremarkable at the time given the international nature of the seafaring population,” he added.
Colin White, director of Trafalgar 200 and curator of Nelson and Napoleon at the National Maritime Museum, said: “There were certainly ‘men of colour’ on the British side at Trafalgar. There were, for example, West Indians and an African on board the Victory, as well as Indians.”
Nelson’s Navy may now be seen as being as English as boiled beef, but the Victory muster book listed only 441 English on board on the morning of the battle. The remainder were a seafaring United Nations: 64 Scots, 63 Irish, 18 Welsh, 3 Shetlanders, 2 Channel Islanders, one Manxman, 21 Americans, 7 Dutch, 6 Swedes, 4 Italians, 4 Maltese, 3 Norwegians, 3 Germans, 2 Swiss, 2 Portuguese, 2 Danes, 2 Indians, 1 Russian, 1 Brazilian, 1 African, 9 West Indians, and three French volunteers.
On the morning of 21 October 1805, the crew were eager to get on with the job for which they were trained, as one English eyewitness records: “As the day dawned the horizon appeared covered with ships. The whole force of the enemy was discovered standing to the southward, distant about nine miles, between us and the coast near Trafalgar. I was awakened by the cheers of the crew and by their rushing up the hatchways to get a glimpse of the hostile fleet.”
However, there would also have been many foreign languages mixed with the English as the crew caught their first sight of the French and Spanish ships.
Records show that among the foreign nationals on board the Victory at the last muster were three Frenchmen, who were volunteers, but were fighting against their own countrymen.
One of the Frenchmen, John Rawlins, aged 25, was officially listed as a landsman, which meant he had no previous seafaring experience when he was taken on board. John Dupuis, aged 32, a second French sailor on board the Victory, was officially listed as an ordinary seaman. John Packet, 47, the third Frenchman, was recorded as an able seaman, which suggested that he had served at sea for some time.
Many more sailors were listed with unknown origins but could have been drafted into the crew from abroad. They included Charles Sayking, an ordinary seaman, and Jas Sarr, a supply man, neither of whom have countries listed after their names. The Americans included John Stair, 27, an able seaman, William Sweat, 21, Charles Thomas, 25, William Thompson, 30, all ordinary seamen, and a teenager, Richard Bulkeley, 18, a midshipman.
England’s flagship crew included Frederick Bush, 24, a German, an ordinary seaman. The Swedish contingent on board the Victory included Peter Blumberry, 28, and Peter Which, 24. Hans Yaule, a landsman, came from Switzerland to fight alongside Nelson. The Italians included Phillip Thovez, 20, a midshipman, and Filippo Vava, 24, a private in the red coat of the Royal Marines.
Perhaps the most exotic member of the “foreign legion” was Gaetano Spedillo, an Italian, who was listed as the “retinue valet” and may have been responsible for making sure that Lord Nelson was immaculately turned out that day. If so, he failed to remind his Lordship to carry his sword on deck. It was left in his cabin.
One of the “Americans” may have been the same William Brown who was later discovered to be a woman while serving on the Charlotte and was dismissed from the Navy in 1815 – after serving 11 years at sea and becoming captain of the foretop.
We owe a lot to a lot of people from a lot of places for our greatness and success
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VOR
i’ve read your crap,who’s getting the hump eh!,typical leftie,go and play with little girls and boys,you sound like a candidate for a shop Santa a bit like the tory cooling.Why don’t you face the truth the BNP = British National Party is here to stay and lets face it, the party that truley cares for our future,the Liebor and Tory’s are only interested in their pockets,just go back a few weeks when the expense scandal was at its height and still going on.So don’t preach to us about what Nick Griffin said 20yrs ago?,thats all you parasites have got to go on,you amaze me,i suggest,”those in glass houses,should’nt throw stones”……Vote BNP and be proud of your Country,theres nothing to be ashamed of,I love my country and thats the reason i vote BNP.
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Playing the game of what politicians said in the past, is a bit like shooting fish in a barrel, it is too easy, with some of them you only need to go back about 5 minutes to find a lie or contradiction!
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just like auld nick!
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“Our report into the BNP’s environmental policies found:-”
Substantiate with showing your “analysis” , please !
Or is NB run by “journalists” from The Sun ?
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The Sun has journalist!,the Beano has more journalism in it.They’re f’kin liars, yes.But what do you expect from a sTORY comic (The Sun),If i had my way newspapers would be £5 each,thats £4.80 lieing tax and 20p brainwashing.
Have a Nice Christmas Sammi and all you guys.
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RJM says:
I wanted to know and understand them,so don’t get on your tory high horse and think you know it all.
He then Says:VOR
i’ve read your crap,who’s getting the hump eh!,typical leftie,go and play with little girls and boys,you sound like a candidate for a shop Santa a bit like the tory cooling.Why don’t you face the truth the BNP = British National Party is here to stay.
VOR says: Oh dear youve started the christmas drinking a little prematurely!
You cant decide if im a “typical leftie” or im on my “tory high horse”
He then is reduced to petty insults and insinuations on sexual deviancy.
The fact of the matter is when RJM is faced with an arguement he cant win he goes back to type. Poorly educated bigotry! He can cut and paste till the cows come home but has no reasoning skills or knowledge with which to defend his political views. Im glad the BNP exist, i dont want them to go away they have a viewpoint and are entitled to express it. RJM is however just one step above Army Bnp because he reads some shit on green arrow and then claims to be an expert on the subject. The saddest type of person on this site, A “cut and paste” intellectual.
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Vor
i am glad you accept the right of the BNP to exist. A big step forward for you.
seasons greetings all, we have bushfires but no snow.
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Sorry about that rant,This being a Tory site, as we know what has happened to a contributor (cooling) to this site,He ended in prision for a disgusting act against Children.Please accept my apologies and Have a Nice Christmas.
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MERRY CHRISTMAS everybody!!
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vor, piss off, you are a nihilist.
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vor
if my memory serves me correctly, you stated once that you were of pakistani descent, which would explain your sometimes dogged defence of Islam.
Now you show your colours as a quasi Republican. jason norris described you as a nihilist; i think iconoclast is more apt.
Are you views stemming from those of an outsider looking in, or are you the vanguard of immigrants undermining traditional British customs and values. You move to Britain and then try and change things!
Any wonder people are turning to the BNP.
Long live the Queen
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spot on AssieAl
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what has queen got to do with it…they ve never got over freddies death
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Queen….The Queen…..ah never mind Sam!
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Sami/Pami
They’ve re named Queen to “Right Freds Dead”,did’nt Freddie Mercury die from aids?,Was that because he was taking geezers cocks up his arse,dirty bastard/
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Im sure Michael Fafin said that about Queen too!
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Hic Even Michael Fagin
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Happy New Year!
Now we are close to the election & goodbye Gordon but like a bad penny he’ll probably turn up in the Lord’s until we have clear out of the traitors.
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The only problem is who , of any consequence, is going to replace him,because dont count cameron with any confidence because he backs everyone and backed out on the referendum which really says it all.The only decent brits are all dead, such as Winston etc.All we have now is odds, sods, and sodomites.Happy New Year anyway! Just Quisling watch because it is going to be educational to say the least.
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Even though Davey might be a shoo in, he may well have a couple of BNP MP’s to closely watch his every move!
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i think someone will have to watch the bnp mps,if that unlikly scenario was to occur
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The scenario will have to occur because there is nothing else. Both tories and new labour and lib dems are really singing the same songs, none will put their head above the parapet to stand for what the union flag stands for, or used to stand for until the pervs got into being legalised.
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the union flag?better known as the butchers apron!
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That name was termed by the farc/ira/che guevara appreciation perverts. To us british it is the symbol of a united nation, it was until the brits gave in to irish masochists and from then on has gone down, but not out. There are many problems that lie ahead but us brits are at our best when we are down, was going to say backs to the wall which would be apt with so many dung pushers about.
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you keep believing the myth
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Agree that it is unlikely at the moment, but old friends are best.
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The Empire is finished,no foreign lands to seize
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agree also, but the new power bloc will be the EU, of which gb will be part. they will then be vying against the usa and russia/china. the world sees empires come and go as you well know and gb has had her day, but she left a good deal of beneficial influences world wide. It is easy to throw stones but the brits did more good than bad. The world moves on, but britannia is now selling her moral virtue and that is why, until they go back to the natural rule book, they will continue to suffer as they do now. Just read the papers daily, no hope, despair etc, the war years did not even experience the same despair, bombings and the rest.Just look at the so called leaders we have now in every walk of life, back in the hungry years they would not have been able to hold a job down.most are graduate wankers.
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